Questions about installing remote starter in 2003 Santa Fe.

Discussion in 'Hyundai Santa Fe' started by Mike O'Donnell, Dec 20, 2005.

  1. I receive a Design Tech International remote car starter (early Christmas
    present) for my 2003 Santa Fe. I've downloaded the updated manual and tech
    information from the manufacturer's web site, and as was looking for some
    information prior to installation.



    This model, 23927, supports several extra features like remote door locks,
    basic alarm system, etc. However, being that it's about 5 degrees F
    outside, and I don't have a well heated garage, I'm planning on just
    installing it to do the basic starting and save the "bells and whistles" for
    warmer weather. The extras already exist with the factory remote, but it
    would be nice not to have to keep both remotes.



    Basically, this unit uses relays to simulate the turning of the key in the
    ignition. The manufacturer has a wiring color code for the Santa Fe on
    their web site that shows which wires correspond to their designations of
    "ignition 1", "ignition 2", etc.



    On their color chart for the Santa Fe, it shows the following wiring colors
    in the ignition switch harness:

    Blue - live in "run" and "start" positions

    Pink - live in "run". May or may not be live in "start"

    Green- live in "accessory" and "run" modes



    (I am planning on verifying all this with a meter before I do anything!)



    The main question I have is on the one that they designate "start", it's the
    wire that's active when you've turned the key to the "start" position.
    According to their color chart, it's also listed as "blue". Is that the
    same wire as the "blue" wire in the list above.



    Can anyone familiar with the Santa Fe wiring give me some clarification on
    this?



    Also, I know this seems like a basic question, but the hook up to each wire
    would be basically just "tapping" into each line, sort of like a "tee" in a
    plumbing fixture, correct? That's what it seems like it would have to be,
    otherwise the key ignition wouldn't functions.



    If anyone has done this, or has any other information, it would be
    appreciated.



    Thanks.



    Mike O.
     
    Mike O'Donnell, Dec 20, 2005
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  2. Mike O'Donnell

    Jody Guest

    thats one thing you should leave to a pro to do...
    "Mike O'Donnell" <> wrote in message
    news:lJMpf.3560$...
    >I receive a Design Tech International remote car starter (early Christmas
    >present) for my 2003 Santa Fe. I've downloaded the updated manual and tech
    >information from the manufacturer's web site, and as was looking for some
    >information prior to installation.
    >
    >
    >
    > This model, 23927, supports several extra features like remote door locks,
    > basic alarm system, etc. However, being that it's about 5 degrees F
    > outside, and I don't have a well heated garage, I'm planning on just
    > installing it to do the basic starting and save the "bells and whistles"
    > for warmer weather. The extras already exist with the factory remote, but
    > it would be nice not to have to keep both remotes.
    >
    >
    >
    > Basically, this unit uses relays to simulate the turning of the key in the
    > ignition. The manufacturer has a wiring color code for the Santa Fe on
    > their web site that shows which wires correspond to their designations of
    > "ignition 1", "ignition 2", etc.
    >
    >
    >
    > On their color chart for the Santa Fe, it shows the following wiring
    > colors in the ignition switch harness:
    >
    > Blue - live in "run" and "start" positions
    >
    > Pink - live in "run". May or may not be live in "start"
    >
    > Green- live in "accessory" and "run" modes
    >
    >
    >
    > (I am planning on verifying all this with a meter before I do anything!)
    >
    >
    >
    > The main question I have is on the one that they designate "start", it's
    > the wire that's active when you've turned the key to the "start" position.
    > According to their color chart, it's also listed as "blue". Is that the
    > same wire as the "blue" wire in the list above.
    >
    >
    >
    > Can anyone familiar with the Santa Fe wiring give me some clarification on
    > this?
    >
    >
    >
    > Also, I know this seems like a basic question, but the hook up to each
    > wire would be basically just "tapping" into each line, sort of like a
    > "tee" in a plumbing fixture, correct? That's what it seems like it would
    > have to be, otherwise the key ignition wouldn't functions.
    >
    >
    >
    > If anyone has done this, or has any other information, it would be
    > appreciated.
    >
    >
    >
    > Thanks.
    >
    >
    >
    > Mike O.
    >
    >
     
    Jody, Dec 20, 2005
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  3. Mike O'Donnell

    hyundaitech Guest

    Have a look at the schematics on www.hmaservice.com. They're in the ETM
    section. I think you've pretty much got the right idea, but haven't taken
    time to check the schematics.
     
    hyundaitech, Dec 20, 2005
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  4. "hyundaitech" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Have a look at the schematics on www.hmaservice.com. They're in the ETM
    > section. I think you've pretty much got the right idea, but haven't taken
    > time to check the schematics.
    >

    Thanks. I've tried that, but every time I drill down to the point of seeing
    a picture, I don't get any actual pictures, just the placeholder icon. I'm
    pretty sure my IE settings are correct; I don't get this effect on other
    sites.

    The ones I was trying to see were under "Engine electrical", "Starting
    system", "starting system schematics". There's two images, "Starting system
    (1)" and "starting system (2)". All I see the the picture icon, no images.

    I'm going to keep trying to figure a way to get the images from the site,
    but I've tried off and on since I had the Santa Fe, and I've never been able
    to see the drawings on the HMAService site.

    Is there any way you can possibly get the images and send them to me? The
    address is "MSO", followed by "999" at "hotmail.com" (no
    quotes).

    Mike O.
     
    Mike O'Donnell, Dec 21, 2005
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  5. Mike O'Donnell

    Guest

    Mike O'Donnell wrote:
    > "hyundaitech" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    > > Have a look at the schematics on www.hmaservice.com. They're in the ETM
    > > section. I think you've pretty much got the right idea, but haven't taken
    > > time to check the schematics.
    > >

    > Thanks. I've tried that, but every time I drill down to the point of seeing
    > a picture, I don't get any actual pictures, just the placeholder icon. I'm
    > pretty sure my IE settings are correct; I don't get this effect on other
    > sites.
    >
    > The ones I was trying to see were under "Engine electrical", "Starting
    > system", "starting system schematics". There's two images, "Starting system
    > (1)" and "starting system (2)". All I see the the picture icon, no images.
    >
    > I'm going to keep trying to figure a way to get the images from the site,
    > but I've tried off and on since I had the Santa Fe, and I've never been able
    > to see the drawings on the HMAService site.
    >
    > Is there any way you can possibly get the images and send them to me? The
    > address is "MSO", followed by "999" at "hotmail.com" (no
    > quotes).
    >
    > Mike O.


    As a follow up, I tried accessing HMAService from a differnt computer
    (at my work), I still get the same thing; no images, just the generic
    picture icon. I tried with Firefox and wasn't even able to get to the
    "service" area after logging in.

    I have noticed both at home and work that the failure to get the images
    only seems to happen on drawings. Photos seem to show OK. It looks
    like the drawings are in a format that IE doesn't recognize.

    Any assistance would be appreciated.

    Mike O.
     
    , Dec 21, 2005
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  6. Mike O'Donnell

    hyundaitech Guest

    I've tried to send emails from the site to you. You may have the same
    issues, don't know. Also, the e-mails may not contain the info the
    subject line indicates. I did a test of this once before, and what I
    received was not what I mailed myself.

    You may want to make sure you have pop-up blocking off when trying to view
    these pages if you haven't done that already.
     
    hyundaitech, Dec 21, 2005
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  7. "hyundaitech" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > I've tried to send emails from the site to you. You may have the same
    > issues, don't know. Also, the e-mails may not contain the info the
    > subject line indicates. I did a test of this once before, and what I
    > received was not what I mailed myself.
    >
    > You may want to make sure you have pop-up blocking off when trying to view
    > these pages if you haven't done that already.
    >


    I haven't received anything in my hotmail account. I have tried turning
    off the pop-up blockers, making sure the IE settings are set to display
    images, etc. The odd thing is that different places on the HMAservice where
    photos are displyed, I see them. It only looks like drawings, diagrams,
    etc. aren't showing up. Internet Explorer shows the generic picture icon,
    but it's not the "broken" icon, so IE does recognize that an image is there,
    it just doesn't display it. Do you know what file format they use for the
    drawings?. I sent an email to their feedback site, hopefully they will come
    back with some info.

    Something else really strange. If I select the year to 2002 or 2001 models,
    I can see some of the drawings. Still not all of them, but some. I was
    able to get the "Starting System Schematics" for 2002. Should that be the
    same for the 2003? Also, is there somewhere I can get the wiring color
    codes?

    In another note, I've seen references to an "immobilizer control system" on
    the Santa Fe 2002-2006 (I have a 2003). The shop information on hmaservice
    references a transponder built into the ignition key, but I know mine
    doesn't have it; I've use simple flat keys from my local hardware store,
    made for $2.
    The reason I'm asking is that the remote starter website references an alarm
    bypass module (additional cost) that you put a spare key into. According to
    their system the 2003 Santa Fe needs this module.

    Thanks.
    Mike O.
     
    Mike O'Donnell, Dec 22, 2005
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  8. Mike O'Donnell

    hyundaitech Guest

    If you have the 2.4 or 2.7, the '01 and '02 schematics should be the same,
    I believe.

    Here's the wire codes I remember off the top of my head:
    B-black, G-green, L-blue, P-pink, R-red, Y-yellow.

    If you lock your vehicle with your factory keyless remote, the vehicle
    won't start unless it's unlocked with that remote. I don't particularly
    see why you'd need a key in a module somewhere, however. The immobilizer
    wasn't used on Santa Fes in the U.S.
     
    hyundaitech, Dec 22, 2005
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  9. Mike O'Donnell

    Guest

    Mike O'Donnell wrote:
    > "hyundaitech" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    > > I've tried to send emails from the site to you. You may have the same
    > > issues, don't know. Also, the e-mails may not contain the info the
    > > subject line indicates. I did a test of this once before, and what I
    > > received was not what I mailed myself.
    > >
    > > You may want to make sure you have pop-up blocking off when trying to view
    > > these pages if you haven't done that already.
    > >

    >
    > I haven't received anything in my hotmail account. I have tried turning
    > off the pop-up blockers, making sure the IE settings are set to display
    > images, etc. The odd thing is that different places on the HMAservice where
    > photos are displyed, I see them. It only looks like drawings, diagrams,
    > etc. aren't showing up. Internet Explorer shows the generic picture icon,
    > but it's not the "broken" icon, so IE does recognize that an image is there,
    > it just doesn't display it. Do you know what file format they use for the
    > drawings?. I sent an email to their feedback site, hopefully they will come
    > back with some info.
    >
    > Something else really strange. If I select the year to 2002 or 2001 models,
    > I can see some of the drawings. Still not all of them, but some. I was
    > able to get the "Starting System Schematics" for 2002. Should that be the
    > same for the 2003? Also, is there somewhere I can get the wiring color
    > codes?
    >
    > In another note, I've seen references to an "immobilizer control system" on
    > the Santa Fe 2002-2006 (I have a 2003). The shop information on hmaservice
    > references a transponder built into the ignition key, but I know mine
    > doesn't have it; I've use simple flat keys from my local hardware store,
    > made for $2.
    > The reason I'm asking is that the remote starter website references an alarm
    > bypass module (additional cost) that you put a spare key into. According to
    > their system the 2003 Santa Fe needs this module.
    >
    > Thanks.
    > Mike O.
     
    , Dec 23, 2005
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  10. "hyundaitech" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > If you have the 2.4 or 2.7, the '01 and '02 schematics should be the same,
    > I believe.
    >
    > Here's the wire codes I remember off the top of my head:
    > B-black, G-green, L-blue, P-pink, R-red, Y-yellow.
    >
    > If you lock your vehicle with your factory keyless remote, the vehicle
    > won't start unless it's unlocked with that remote. I don't particularly
    > see why you'd need a key in a module somewhere, however. The immobilizer
    > wasn't used on Santa Fes in the U.S.
    >


    Thanks for the info. "2003 Power Distribution", the "2002 Charging system",
    and the "2002 Starting System" schematics. Now that I know that the letters
    are the color codes, it should make it easier. Here are some of the other
    letter's I've seen in the diagrams. Can you confirm my guesses:
    O - Orange?
    Lg/B Light green & Black?
    Br - Brown?
    W - White?

    Also, just out of curiousity, do the numbers in front of the color code
    indicate some kind of wire size code? On several of the diagrams I see
    designations like "3.0L", "2.0Lg/B", ".85R", etc.

    One more question about the schematics. On the drawings (specifically the
    2003 Power Dist), the diagram for the ignition switch shows a standard
    rotary switch symbol. It has an arrow from the common point, and an arc
    with dots to show the different positions (Lock, Acc, On, Start). On some
    of the diagrams there's also a thick line that almost looks hand drawn,
    going from one of the positions over toward the next point on the arc. Is
    that showing that the circuit is live at both points?

    Am I correct that the "immobilzer" was the system that looked for a specific
    code chip in the key, and won't start without it? As I understand it, the
    bypass module would use a spare key (with the chip) to feed to the computer
    module so that it would think the key is in the ignition.

    I think the statement that the immobilizer "wasn't used on Santa Fes in the
    U.S." is probably the "key" (no pun intended) to why the remote starter web
    site says I need one on the 2003. Maybe DesignTech made the assumption that
    if they're used anywhere on the 2003 models, DesignTech's web site would
    show it as necessary.

    I'm off work next week, and the temprature is up to a balmy 40F, so I'll
    probably work on it sometime after Christmas. This way I should have it
    installed before the January freeze..

    Thanks again for all your assistance. Sorry about the length of this post.

    Mike O.
     
    Mike O'Donnell, Dec 24, 2005
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  11. Mike O'Donnell

    hyundaitech Guest

    I think all your wire colors are correct. And the numbers do indeed
    represent wire sizes, with larger numbers representing larger wires.

    The thick arc usually goes through the points, making things clear, but I
    think you're correct. I believe that if the arc is over or on a
    particular point, it represents a closed contact in the switch. I think
    it's possible there may have been some sort of weird error in drawing the
    schematic to make the arc come up over top of the contact points you see.
    If there's any doubt, you can, knowing which wires feed power to the
    switch, take a test light and see which ones are hot in which positions,
    verifying what the schematic means.

    And yes, Immobilizer is the system that looks for the chip in the key.
     
    hyundaitech, Dec 26, 2005
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  12. "hyundaitech" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    >I think all your wire colors are correct. And the numbers do indeed
    > represent wire sizes, with larger numbers representing larger wires.
    >
    > The thick arc usually goes through the points, making things clear, but I
    > think you're correct. I believe that if the arc is over or on a
    > particular point, it represents a closed contact in the switch. I think
    > it's possible there may have been some sort of weird error in drawing the
    > schematic to make the arc come up over top of the contact points you see.
    > If there's any doubt, you can, knowing which wires feed power to the
    > switch, take a test light and see which ones are hot in which positions,
    > verifying what the schematic means.
    >
    > And yes, Immobilizer is the system that looks for the chip in the key.
    >


    Thank you for all the information. I'm planning on working on this later
    this week, probably Thursday or Friday.
    My plan all along was going to start by probing with a multimeter while
    trying the different positions on the ignition switch. I'm just trying to
    get as much info as possible before starting.
    Even if I knew all the documentation by heart, I've worked in the computer
    and electronics field long enough to not trust the documentation 100%. It
    doesn't always match the real thing.

    Mike O.
     
    Mike O'Donnell, Dec 27, 2005
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  13. "hyundaitech" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    >I think all your wire colors are correct. And the numbers do indeed
    > represent wire sizes, with larger numbers representing larger wires.
    >
    > The thick arc usually goes through the points, making things clear, but I
    > think you're correct. I believe that if the arc is over or on a
    > particular point, it represents a closed contact in the switch. I think
    > it's possible there may have been some sort of weird error in drawing the
    > schematic to make the arc come up over top of the contact points you see.
    > If there's any doubt, you can, knowing which wires feed power to the
    > switch, take a test light and see which ones are hot in which positions,
    > verifying what the schematic means.
    >
    > And yes, Immobilizer is the system that looks for the chip in the key.
    >

    Tomorrow (1/2) is the day to do the install, I think with the information
    you've provided, plus what I found on the web, that I'm ready.

    I found out why I can't get some of the drawings on HMAService. I needed
    the Adobe SVG viewer installed. I was doing some more searching and on the
    TwoSpirits Santa Fe mod forums, I found some information about using the
    HMAService site. It mentioned the SVG viewer. I installed it and all the
    drawings come up fine now. It makes sense why the most of the older
    drawings work; they probably started using SVG around 2003.

    - Mike
     
    Mike O'Donnell, Jan 2, 2006
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  14. "Mike O'Donnell" <> wrote in message
    news:IA2uf.4412$...
    >
    > "hyundaitech" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >>I think all your wire colors are correct. And the numbers do indeed
    >> represent wire sizes, with larger numbers representing larger wires.
    >>
    >> The thick arc usually goes through the points, making things clear, but I
    >> think you're correct. I believe that if the arc is over or on a
    >> particular point, it represents a closed contact in the switch. I think
    >> it's possible there may have been some sort of weird error in drawing the
    >> schematic to make the arc come up over top of the contact points you see.
    >> If there's any doubt, you can, knowing which wires feed power to the
    >> switch, take a test light and see which ones are hot in which positions,
    >> verifying what the schematic means.
    >>
    >> And yes, Immobilizer is the system that looks for the chip in the key.
    >>

    > Tomorrow (1/2) is the day to do the install, I think with the information
    > you've provided, plus what I found on the web, that I'm ready.
    >
    > I found out why I can't get some of the drawings on HMAService. I needed
    > the Adobe SVG viewer installed. I was doing some more searching and on
    > the
    > TwoSpirits Santa Fe mod forums, I found some information about using the
    > HMAService site. It mentioned the SVG viewer. I installed it and all the
    > drawings come up fine now. It makes sense why the most of the older
    > drawings work; they probably started using SVG around 2003.
    >
    > - Mike
    >
    >

    Duh.. I could also have looked on the "site requirements" on HMAService.
    Right there, it says you need the SVG viewer..
     
    Mike O'Donnell, Jan 2, 2006
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