2006 Hyundai Accent Clutch Burned out ?!?

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Ok - Here goes my problem / Question...

I have a 2006 Hyundai Accent. About 3 months old, less than 4000 miles
on it.

This week, I pulled up to a stop sign, and when I went to go again, the
clutch didn't engage - i.e. when I lifted it up, absolutely NOTHING
happened other than the pedal lifting up - no indication that it did a
thing....

Fast forward through towing etc... Now, the dealer says that the
clutch was burned out completely "to the metal" - i.e. worn out like it
had been ridden from here to heck and back again. Problem is, I've
never had this problem before (I've had three manual transmisisons
before, last clutch lasted 185k miles before replacement in my old car
if that says anything) so I think I know how to drive a stick shift.
Dealer is confident that there was not a defect in the clutch etc...
(Granted, I'm not the only driver - but my same folks drove the old car
too so same applies there)

Anyone have any ideas here? What could possibly cause this? I did NOT
notice any slipping prior to the total failure of the clutch - which in
itself seems really odd as I really would have thought that it would be
hard to have missed and for it to go so completely gone as it did so
quickly ?

Please - if anyone has had a similar experience or has any suggestions
on where to go with this I'd appreciate some feedback here.

Thanks.
 
Have you seen the clutch? Lots of things cause clutch wear or failure, but
without seeing the clutch, it'd be difficult to offer an opinion as to the
cause of failure.

Of particular interest is the friction material. If it's been turned into
fuzz, then we have a severe slippage issue. Similarly, if the flywheel is
burned, then we have a slippage issue. It's important to know whether all
the clutch damper springs and washers are in place, and whether the
throwout bearing is functioning correctly.

The warranty materials seem to imply that Hyundai will cover clutch wear
for 1 year/12k miles (barring abusive driving). If the dealer is refusing
warranty service, call Hyundai customer assistance. I can't say what'll
happen, but it can't be worse than "no, we think you abused it."
 
Have you seen the clutch? Lots of things cause clutch wear or failure, but
without seeing the clutch, it'd be difficult to offer an opinion as to the
cause of failure.
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I have not - I've only spoken with the mechanic. He descibed it as
"worn completely away down to the metal." In addition, he stated that
had the material had a failure he would ahve expected to find "chunks"
of material in the case, but only found "clutch dust" in there. I'm
not a very auto-mechanically knowledgable person so didn't know what to
ask and perhaps missed out on the right key words too...
Of particular interest is the friction material. If it's been turned into
fuzz, then we have a severe slippage issue. Similarly, if the flywheel is
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I now have more questions to ask it seems... :) Thank you!
for 1 year/12k miles (barring abusive driving). If the dealer is refusing
warranty service, call Hyundai customer assistance. I can't say what'll
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Dealer is covering under warranty - however is presenting it as though
doing me a major favor... i.e. the unsaid thing seems to be "you did
this to yourself but I'm letting this slip".

The reason I'm not satisfied with this is that I don't believe that I
did this to the car - quite honestly I tend to think one would have to
be pretty darn abusive to wear out a clutch this fast wouldn't you?
(perhaps it's easier than I think?). Thus, I'm left with two options -
either it's easier to burn out the clutch than I thought and I may need
to re-evaluate my driving habits to avoid a recurrance OR there may be
another defect or issue here that, unless corrected, will cause another
problem down the line... I suppose the third option is that this was
a fluke problem that is somehow going to be fixed when they re-build
the clutch in the course of fixing this one...

Whatever the cause - I just don't want it to happen again. If it IS my
(or my wiffe's) driving then I need to fix that, but is that really
likely here?

They are waiting for parts - due in on Wednesday. I will ask them to
save all the old parts and perhaps take pictures for review if any
knowledgeable person is interested (my regular non-dealer mechanic
asked to look at them) in case they may yield some clues...

I appreciate your taking the time to read, consider, and reply to my
post!
 
Blair said:
Is it even possible to wear out a clutch in 4000 miles? Sounds crazy to me.
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Yes, sounds hard to believe to me also, even if you were trying to do so!

Question for the OP, did you ever smell anything. I warmed up my Sonata
clutch a little getting it up on the ramps to change the oil (1st gear
is just too tall), and it stunk pretty good. To wear out a clutch in
4,000 miles I'd think you'd have to slip it so much that you couldn't
help but raise quite a stink.

Matt
 
Matt said:
Question for the OP, did you ever smell anything. I warmed up my Sonata
clutch a little getting it up on the ramps to change the oil (1st gear
is just too tall), and it stunk pretty good. To wear out a clutch in
4,000 miles I'd think you'd have to slip it so much that you couldn't
help but raise quite a stink.
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Never noticed any funny smells driving the car (at least not that could
be blamed on the car - we do have small children though...)
 
Never noticed any funny smells driving the car (at least not that could
be blamed on the car - we do have small children though...)
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Hard for me to imagine that a clutch could completely wear/burn away the
lining material in 4K miles and not make some sort of unusual smell.
This is a weird one.


Matt
 
Hard for me to imagine that a clutch could completely wear/burn away the
lining material in 4K miles and not make some sort of unusual smell.
This is a weird one.
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My other question is how can it totally wear out (whatever the cause)
and not slip prior to total failure? Is there something about the
clutch design on these that keeps it from slipping prior to full
failure?

In my prior experience (older cars) when a clutch does go it's been
very obvious well before total failure - I've actually never had full
failure of a clutch as I've been able to drive it to the mechanic to
get it fixed because I could feel it slipping well before full failure.

Have clutch designs changed in the last 10 years such that this is no
longer the case?
 
My other question is how can it totally wear out (whatever the cause)
and not slip prior to total failure? Is there something about the
clutch design on these that keeps it from slipping prior to full
failure?

In my prior experience (older cars) when a clutch does go it's been
very obvious well before total failure - I've actually never had full
failure of a clutch as I've been able to drive it to the mechanic to
get it fixed because I could feel it slipping well before full failure.

Have clutch designs changed in the last 10 years such that this is no
longer the case?
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Not to my knowledge. I don't see how this could happen either without
some other concurrent failure of the throw-out bearing, slave cylinder
or master cylinder (assuming you have a hydraulic clutch).


Matt
 
I've seen it done on a brand new (not even sold yet) car (but not a
Hyundai). We picked it up from another dealer, and on the test drive
prior to delivery, the customer noticed the slipping.
 
never had this problem before (I've had three manual transmisisons
before, last clutch lasted 185k miles before replacement in my old car
if that says anything) so I think I know how to drive a stick shift.
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Weird problem. Never heard of that before. Your statement above just about
boils it down to some type of failure.

Perhaps the hydraulics sprung a leak, bringing the clutch pressure down very
low causing slippage. Unless it happened on 1 long run without using the
clutch, you would have noticed it. Even then, you should have noticed the
engine revving higher than normal. What a strange problem!
 
You'll need to be prepared to take the pictures of the parts at the
dealer-- they're required to keep them in the event Hyundai wants them, so
they won't be able to give them to you.

But, based on what you've described, it sounds worn out. So, unless
something came apart somewhere and got into the pressure plate, I don't
see what the defect would be. Others have speculated about a hydraulic
issue-- the only way this could cause the problem you describe is if the
clutch master cylinder pushrod is misadjusted, creating pressure in the
system.
 
Blair said:
Is it even possible to wear out a clutch in 4000 miles? Sounds crazy to me.

-B
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Yes, it is possible to wear out a clutch in 4000 miles. I know someone
who burned out a clutch in 600 miles.

- Mooron
 
Bob said:
Weird problem. Never heard of that before. Your statement above just about
boils it down to some type of failure.

Perhaps the hydraulics sprung a leak, bringing the clutch pressure down very
low causing slippage. Unless it happened on 1 long run without using the
clutch, you would have noticed it. Even then, you should have noticed the
engine revving higher than normal. What a strange problem!
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Isn't it the opposite? The clutch plates are pressed together by
spring pressure and are pushed apart by hydraulics. A hydraulic
leak should cause the clutch to be engaged all the time.

I don't really know how it works, I'm just guessing.

- Mooron
 
Mooron, I can go ya one better, I know a guy ( ahem ) that when he was
younger ( way younger ) put a brand new clutch, pressure plate and thow-out
bearing in his 1966 Hemi Charger, drove to the local drag strip approamately
13 miles from his house and on his 1st pass blew the new clutch PP and
Throw-out bearing right through the clutch pan.

I still have to live that down when I go home and see certain friends.

Tunez
 
Tunez said:
Mooron, I can go ya one better, I know a guy ( ahem ) that when he was
younger ( way younger ) put a brand new clutch, pressure plate and thow-out
bearing in his 1966 Hemi Charger, drove to the local drag strip approamately
13 miles from his house and on his 1st pass blew the new clutch PP and
Throw-out bearing right through the clutch pan.
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Ahh, that reminds me of my old Dodge with the 440. I couldn't
afford fuel for the thing now, if I could even find leaded gas.
That thing could move! The good old days...

- Mooron
 
Mooron said:
Isn't it the opposite? The clutch plates are pressed together by
spring pressure and are pushed apart by hydraulics. A hydraulic
leak should cause the clutch to be engaged all the time.

I don't really know how it works, I'm just guessing.
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You guessed right. The only exception would be if the leak was at the
slave cylinder and was such that oil could get on the disk. However,
that wouldn't cause the disk to be worn out, it would just slip and
probably smoke and stink something fierce.


Matt
 
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