2006 santa fe erratic idle and surges

Discussion in 'Hyundai Santa Fe' started by TKirchner1, May 12, 2007.

  1. TKirchner1

    TKirchner1 Guest

    I have a 2006 Santa Fe gls, 6cyl/4spd auto.
    I have 23000 miles on it. I've had oil changes done at the dealer
    since i purchased the car new. About every 2500 miles. On the last
    visit, the mechanic recommended a transmission fluid change. I had it
    done last week, and the day after, the car started to idle
    erratically. It fluctuates between 700rpms and up to 1200 rpms. Also,
    when driving at any speed, and coming to a stop, the rpms drop to
    about 400, and the car feels like it wants to stall. At times when
    stopping, and the rpms drop, they don't come back up until I apply
    gas. Other times like when parking in the driveway, the rpms stay low,
    and when i put it into park, they jump to 1200.
    I went back to the dealer today, and the mechanic said he could not
    duplicate the problem, and there were no trouble codes. He also said
    that if there was a problem, the check engine light would come on. So
    i'm guessing that no codes means no problem? (sarcasm)?
    I don't know if it means anything or could be part of the cause of
    this problem, but after I had the tranny flush and oil change, when i
    got home, i noticed a few drips on the driveway. I slid under the car
    and the crossmember and plastic guard were covered in fluids and
    dripping. I took it back to the shop and they cleaned it up and said
    there were no leaks. I wondered if the slob mechanic might have gotten
    some connectors wet with oil or tranny fluid.
    If anyone has any ideas about the rpm problem i would love to hear
    them, maybe i can help the mechanic do his job better.
    TKirchner1, May 12, 2007
  2. Maybe you can find a better mechanic. Changing oil at 2500 miles is
    wasteful. Having the trans fluid changed at 23,000 miles does nothing but
    make more profit for the dealer.

    The service may have nothing at all to do with the surging you are
    experiencing, but then again, it could. Perhaps during the sloppy work they
    did that left a mess under the car, a vacuum line or linkage was damaged.
    I'd find a new dealer, and I'd recommend you check the intervals suggested
    by Hyundai and save some money. Given the fact that you have 23,000 miles
    on an 06 model, you probably fall closer to the 7500 mile interval. Unless
    you are in Antarctica or drive 100% on dusty back trails.
    Edwin Pawlowski, May 12, 2007
  3. TKirchner1

    hyundaitech Guest

    I cannot think of any reasonable relationship with the service work and
    your symptoms, even if the mechanic was messy.

    The lack of a check engine lamp doesn't mean that no problem exists, just
    that the ECM hasn't detected one. Of course, if it's not occurring when
    the mechanic checks it, and there are no trouble codes to evidence the
    nature of the problem, proper diagnosis will be at the very least
    difficult, and in most cases impossible.

    What engine do you have in your Santa Fe?
    hyundaitech, May 12, 2007
  4. TKirchner1

    TKirchner1 Guest

    It has the 2.7l six cylinder / 4sp transmission. It seems like the
    rpm fluctuation occurs when it down shifting from 2nd to 1st gear. I
    also checked the fluid level today when it was at operating temp, and
    it looks like it overfilled by about a quart. The owners manual says
    it requires 8.98qts and I looked at the work order from the
    transmission flush and they charged me for ten quarts. I don't think
    they used the fluid extractor, they just drained and filled. A
    previous poster said that a fluid flush was not necessary, and I
    agree. The manual says inspections up until 105000 miles, then fluid
    change. I only had it done, because when I had the previous
    service( oil change, tire rotat)etc. the mechanic recommended the
    flush, and it is on the work order, and shows that I declined the
    service at the time.
    Thanks for your help.
    TKirchner1, May 13, 2007
  5. TKirchner1

    hyundaitech Guest

    My original thought was perhaps a stuck EGR valve or solenoid, but since
    the 2.7 engine doesn't have an EGR, that theory is blown out of the water.

    Check the air intake bellows between the air flow sensor and the throttle
    body. It should be secure on the sensor and on the throttle body and have
    no leaks. Also check the PCV hose to be sure it's connected to the PCV
    valve and is not leaking.

    In regard to the flush, if they used 10 quarts, they definitely did a
    flush. A drain and fill only removes about 5 quarts from the
    hyundaitech, May 15, 2007
  6. TKirchner1

    TKirchner1 Guest

    Ok, went back to my dealer today as scheduled. They had me there for
    about three hours, and the mechanic said he replaced the Idle Air
    Control valve/motor, because it had carbon on it. I took it home, and
    it still had the same symptoms. So, I called another dealer about an
    hour away, and luckily they had an opening this afternoon. I drove
    there and the car still did the same thing the whole trip. The
    mechanic had me drive it while he was in the car, so that he could
    itness what it was doing (the other guys didn't). He saw what the
    engine was doing, we went back to the shop, and he hooked up the
    computer to the connector, and we went for another drive. As I drove,
    he watched the different paramaters, and said OK I got it. We went
    back to the shop, he installed a new Throttle position sensor, cleared
    the computer, and we went back out for another drive. Runs great now !
    And I have a great shop to take my car to for all services now. He
    also checked the transmission fluid and had to drain off two quarts.
    Yup, the other guys even messed up a simple transmission flush. I
    guess i'll have to argue with the original shop to get my money back
    for that mess. Now my worry is what kind of damage did they do to my
    transmission by filling it over by two quarts?
    TKirchner1, May 16, 2007
  7. TKirchner1

    hyundaitech Guest

    There won't be any damage to the transmission. It's vented to prevent
    pressure buildup. The worst thing that would have occurred would have
    been fluid coming out the vent.

    I agree about your opinion on the second shop. They were clearly
    interested in repairing your car correctly, whereas the first shop didn't
    appear to do any investigation as to the source of the problem.
    hyundaitech, May 16, 2007
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