chinese car chery will overcome hyundai and kia.

china autos are soon to make korea vehicles history beating them out of
competition.
see http://www.chinacarforums.com for more info

 

Hell they haven't even caught up with Suzuki or Isuzu yet.

After seeing the absolute lack of quality on Chinese-built GM parts,
then looking into the past and looking at the absolutely shit cars
communists have built in the past, I have to conclude anybody that isn't
spraying for mosquitoes or attempting suicide to stay the hell out of
these cars. The US DOT and EPA and insurance industry agreed, hence why
that junk isn't on our roads.

JS

 

I depends what is meant by "soon". Maybe in another 10 years
the Chinese will have a car worth buying. As of now, they have
serious problems with quality and emissions control.

- Mooron

 

It will be a solid 15 years before the communist produce
a car that's at the level of today's Hyundai. Remember
what the Nissans and Hondas were like?

Tom who drives an Accent

 

finally, the disposable car

they might come in two or three pack

 

they will have a tremendous impact..

on head injuries, leg injuries, deaths...

 

Malcolm Bricklin's involded too, and you know what happens every time he
tries to make cars............

he gets richer and the dealers loose everything.....

 

"A chicken in every Pot, and a Turkey in every Garage"

Dave 2006

 

John Dinkel was quoate as staying
"cars from china will be 30-40% cheaper, and will have Lexus like quality"

loosely translated...
"We'll slap an Armani Suit, on a Yugo"

 

Its hard to compare a Yugo, to a Chery. Chery is much more advanced,
with modern funding, resources, engineering and a giant market.

All that is needed is a little more funding towards Safety.

We will see Chery make it far, if china is to be next superpower...then
it has to produce top companies in every sector including auto!

 

Asians have been programmed for too many generations to simply follow
commands. These kinds of people are absolutely useless for building and
designing innovative products. Unless China can steal someone else's
technology, they're simply stuck.

There are bad sides to this. Chinese industry (since they're a
communist country you must consider all industry there the government's)
will pay tons of money for stolen technology from anywhere else.
Aproximately 5 years ago China stole a formula to make electrolytic
capacitor 'goop', and instead of doing any long term testing they rushed
parts to market (often badging them with Japanese manufacturer
logos/labels) which generally failed within 6-18 months due to chemical
breakdown - they had an incomplete version of the formula.

Recently a bunch of NEC parts (I've personally seen the optical drives)
were cloned in china and badged with NEC labels. They "mostly" work,
but have outrageously annoying bugs and do not accept flash loads from
legitimate NEC firmware download sites...

More info, see here: http://www.realtechnews.com/posts/3000

But, China does have a whole lot of slave labor (communism) so getting
things done there is fairly cheap - at least on parts where quality
isn't a major concern (thats why General Motors outsources part building
there - quality isn't even a concern)

JS

 

As long as China is run by a bunch of tyrants, they have nothing to offer
this world.
The true SAD part is, 75+ % of the Chinese people will still live in
poverty, oppressed, have no say in the political process. persecuted, jailed
without due process and God knows how many people have been ruthlessly
killed.
SHAME ON China's government.

 

this is probably the scariest and sickest of them all..

even prescription drugs are being dumped on our shores.
http://www.asianresearch.org/articles/1465.html

http://www.newsgd.com/news/China1/200605150065.htm

 

An olde person w/some memory of his enjoyable state university
economics course circa early-mid 1960s:

A respected university economics professor, whose son I coincidentally
had known in grammar school, lectures to sophomore econ students:

Loosely:

"The Japanese (or maybe he just said "foreigners") can't out-do us in
automobiles...."

And this is something Americans once generally thought--not so long
ago.

There is little to no doubt in my mind that the Chery (with that
shameless name knockoff) or whatever brand name shall succeeed.

Thus my holding: It is not the least bit impossible to think that a
Chinese car and/or
perhaps truck will
be a normative U.S. import within five--ten years.

There was a cliche that people sort of awesomely* scoffed-at

CHINA HAS THE POTENTIAL OF FIVE JAPANS

"awesome" is the word that first comes to my mind, but I admit it here
is oxymoronic--any suggestions for a better modifier of "scoffed?"

 

China is too busy trying to screw everyone over to even keep up with one
Japan.

What do you expect from communists?

JS

 

and look at what happened to the Japanese.......(history repeating it self.)
still trying to recover from a 10+ year economic downturn.
the 80's where many (including myself) that believed the Japanese were
taking over the US.
They bought out land at outrageous property values.. (they soon learned
their lesson)
The US is NOT stupid (in spite of what some might think)
for many reasons, they wont be allowed to grow bigger than the US
(economically or defensively)

As long as the Japanese have a "democratic society" (or as long as "inset
any country here" has a "democratic society) It can stand a chance in the US
for a fair chance at competing for the best product.

 

At <alt.philosophy & alt.history>, me & other pswados & gratuitous
fools have been arrogantly/condescendingly/stupidly expounding upon the
aspect of synthesizing & combining Chinese authoritarianism with market
capitalism.

Here's the thread that an Hyundai-owner lead-off and then it went into
argumentative tangents & off-the-walls, including my bashing of WW II
Sweden's collaboration because an articulate Swede insulted my posting
style's usual confusion & unorthodox ineptness.

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I've discussed this observation at least twice-- it's not anything I've

consciously plagarized.

So, why not drum it redux/some more.


The Chi Coms of the 21st century are throwing egg foo poo poo into the
ideology of my West, and I want to observe this point once again.


What do I mean?


Well, you've got to be 61 years old, I suppose, to get the irony, but,
damneit, I fucken am.


The biggest bug-a-boo or fear of my childhood's 1950s was duck 'n cover

from the Red Meanace.


Polio was second: I got a Salk version shot in 1956, and apparently
that vaccine wasn't alive, and so I'm lucky.


Some unlucky sugar-cube swallowers apparently did get polio from that
....modality/technique/experiment/practice of Sabin's version.


And now, back to fear of the Reds:


Believe me: I was here: COMMUNISM, both Russian & Chinese, is what
drove the international news & politics in the USA for at least 60-70
years.


If only them thar Commies would be capitalists like us, then ....what a

wonderful world this would be.


Today, they're seemingly eating U.S. capitalism's breakfast, lunch and
dinner, as I post this in late spring of 2006.


If you happen to read it in the later twenty-first century, then please

be aware that the leading superpower now governing in Beiping/Peking
(not Illinois) was once thought to be hopelessly entrenched in
non-capitalism and thus tragically backward regressing.


The US political sages & pundits of the prior century are--or should
be--today in shock.


Do not believe whole hog in half the cow-crape implication in civic
club speeches & economics textbooks, such as: "if China were to become
a market capitalist nation, then ...peace/nirvana," because
conventional wisdom/ideas/paradigms are established to eventually
collapse, as Thomas Kuhn kind of explains.


I may be distorting & exaggerating the nuances & subtleties of the
political-economic rhetoric of times past.


Some would think I've missed enough of the substance too.


Therefore, it will take better articulated analyses than mine to
explain/capture an amazing change.


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sound like bunch of rhetoric.. pseudo-(insert whatever here)


At <alt.philosophy & alt.history>, me & other pswados & gratuitous
fools have been arrogantly/condescendingly/stupidly expounding upon the
aspect of synthesizing & combining Chinese authoritarianism with market
capitalism.

Here's the thread that an Hyundai-owner lead-off and then it went into
argumentative tangents & off-the-walls, including my bashing of WW II
Sweden's collaboration because an articulate Swede insulted my posting
style's usual confusion & unorthodox ineptness.

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I've discussed this observation at least twice-- it's not anything I've

consciously plagarized.

So, why not drum it redux/some more.


The Chi Coms of the 21st century are throwing egg foo poo poo into the
ideology of my West, and I want to observe this point once again.


What do I mean?


Well, you've got to be 61 years old, I suppose, to get the irony, but,
damneit, I fucken am.


The biggest bug-a-boo or fear of my childhood's 1950s was duck 'n cover

from the Red Meanace.


Polio was second: I got a Salk version shot in 1956, and apparently
that vaccine wasn't alive, and so I'm lucky.


Some unlucky sugar-cube swallowers apparently did get polio from that
....modality/technique/experiment/practice of Sabin's version.


And now, back to fear of the Reds:


Believe me: I was here: COMMUNISM, both Russian & Chinese, is what
drove the international news & politics in the USA for at least 60-70
years.


If only them thar Commies would be capitalists like us, then ....what a

wonderful world this would be.


Today, they're seemingly eating U.S. capitalism's breakfast, lunch and
dinner, as I post this in late spring of 2006.


If you happen to read it in the later twenty-first century, then please

be aware that the leading superpower now governing in Beiping/Peking
(not Illinois) was once thought to be hopelessly entrenched in
non-capitalism and thus tragically backward regressing.


The US political sages & pundits of the prior century are--or should
be--today in shock.


Do not believe whole hog in half the cow-crape implication in civic
club speeches & economics textbooks, such as: "if China were to become
a market capitalist nation, then ...peace/nirvana," because
conventional wisdom/ideas/paradigms are established to eventually
collapse, as Thomas Kuhn kind of explains.


I may be distorting & exaggerating the nuances & subtleties of the
political-economic rhetoric of times past.


Some would think I've missed enough of the substance too.


Therefore, it will take better articulated analyses than mine to
explain/capture an amazing change.


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more impertinent re-posted fantasies & ibecillicisms:

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To get back to China:

This NYT article shows that the people are certainly aware of China's
growth & economic progress.


The Party does not allow glasnost, and is apparently successful in
maintaining the political order.


Some of us old enough would recall that the 1970's Nixonian &
enlightened liberal American theme or slant of the "recognition of Red
China," and have observed its amazing massive
"re-capitalization"/"re-capitalism" thereof would ...have hoped for
that eventual/subsequent liberalization of its internal political
culture.


Tout le monde is still waiting for that glasnost, including their
jailed dissidents & ex-patriates; but the brutal Tinamen
Square-ization maintains as Chinese Hobbesians & authoritarians &
prevailing Reds implicitly aren't unhappy.


Hey: The best hopes of men & mices get way-laid &


10. rattle around in cribs & diaper pails
9. are aka as t-r-a-g-e-d-i-e-s & absurdities & unintended
consequences
8. reaffirm that cynics' ole favorite, "told ya so"
7. the future is now, and it's too slow to matter, because in the long
run, we're all...
6. Deng, Dung....Jimmy Carter, Oprah, Uma....meet...market disciplined
capitalism with chronic political authoritarianism: an impossible
synthesis that actually works
5. Mao, that smiling despot gets to smile vs Tom Jefferson's gets the
wooden nickle
4. Hey, is all we can do about this is to get another terrific tax cut,

GWB?
3. And to sell 'em that Valadimir Lenin rope factory to hang our own
asss
2. How do they cuss in Chinese? "Fungu-la-poo-poo-up-yours,
Occidentals"
1. Yeah, I do like to joke: do you know of something less serious than
the decline of the West?


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http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/news/news-usa-china-survey.html

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This tells me that China is not, now, a world power. See also,

http://www.nixoncenter.org/publications/articles/may_china&world.htm
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ch.html


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Robert Cohen wrote:

<snip>

I have no doubt the Chinese will eventually be big in the
US car market. I think the five to ten years is pushing it,
it will probably be more like ten to fifteen.

- Mooron