CR reliability ratings etc

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Christopher Wong, Mar 10, 2005.

  1. Nobody is going to talk about the latest Consumer Reports auto issue? I
    don't know how much of the site is available to non-subscribers, but this
    one should be free:

    http://www.wsj.consumerreports.org/wsjreport82.html

    Hyundai highlights:
    - The 2004 Hyundai Sonata is most reliable single vehicle. XG350 unreliable.
    - As a company, Hyundai is right up there in top 10, well ahead of Mazda,
    Nissan and other big names.
    - Elantra dropped from CR recommended list because of poor IIHS side impact
    scores. Actually, only the Corolla and Cobalt among compacts got acceptable
    side impact scores, and only w/ side air bags. This probably means my
    Accent is a death trap.

    Chris
     
    Christopher Wong, Mar 10, 2005
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  2. Christopher Wong

    Jody Guest

    according to them, most cars are death traps.
    i dont think their method of testing is very acurate.
    its solid aboject slamming into a staionary car.
    no crush zones to activate etc on the barrier they use
     
    Jody, Mar 10, 2005
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  3. | according to them, most cars are death traps.
    | i dont think their method of testing is very acurate.
    | its solid aboject slamming into a staionary car.
    | no crush zones to activate etc on the barrier they use

    I actually think that their method may be useful. I'm in a
    Hyundai now because my Ford Aerostar was totalled in a head-on
    with another Aerostar. It was an unusual demonstration of
    selective crumpling. Many car accidents are between two vehicles,
    both of which would have hopefully crumpled to progressively
    absorb the impact and save the occupants. However, CU's method
    simulates what will happen when the car slams into a concrete
    wall, and as we all know, some car accidents involve one vehicle
    and a large, unyielding, solid object. So, I'd say that CU's test
    is rather crude, but quite valid.

    Let me add that CU sometimes has test standards that can seem
    off-the-beam to a person who has experience in the particular
    realm of the test, and can come up with results that cause me to
    shake my head in disbelief. However, there are reasons, some
    unfortunate, for their behavior.

    My own beef with them has to do with the reliability of consumer
    electronic products and the cost of ownership. In other words,
    how likely is it to fail and especially, how much will that
    repair cost. However, I think that they don't dare comment upon
    these concerns because they've already had to fight off Bose, and
    it was only the US Supreme Court that saved Consumers Union in
    the end. That's not been the only lawsuit. They've got to be
    completely objective in ways that will stand up in court.

    For cars, I think that the repair charts are misleading. For
    example, a car can be shown to need lots of repairs to the
    electrical system. But in reality, let's say that the issue was
    that the heater motor would fail due to an engineer having
    specified the wrong fuse. Replacing the fuse (a $1 part) fixes
    this, but it will show up on the CR repair chart as a black dot
    because it happened to a lot of people. But another car that has
    a wiring harness that can burn out when stressed by only the
    cigarette lighter when used with the headlights will show up as
    having good electrical systems, but the repair will run $3,000.

    Yes. I was pretty surprised to read their recommendation of the
    '04 Sonata because it's seemed that their descriptions of Hyundai
    cars have been so ho-hum. But on the linked page, I think that CU
    explained their context quite well. It seems to be a good job.

    Richard
     
    Richard Steinfeld, Mar 10, 2005
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