found this on the web for Hyundai Tech Service

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Doron Levy, Aug 30, 2004.

  1. Doron Levy

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    Doron Levy, Aug 30, 2004
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  2. Oh, you mean this?:

    "We're sorry, WebTech only works with Internet Explorer, version 5 or
    greater. "
     
    screwtape iii, Aug 30, 2004
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  3. This ought to be in the FAQ for this newsgroup.
    Their "web designers" used client-side Visual Baysick Script. Even if
    you fake the User-Agent with Firefox/Safari, it won't work because
    nothing but I.Exploder supports VB. All the information on the site is
    in PDF or HTML, but the interface is I.Exploder-only. Yes, they
    ignored the precept that says "a web site should be set up such that it
    can be used as a straight directory tree, without any client- or
    server-side intelligence." Wankers.

    So: Set up a cron job to visit the site every few hours using Mozilla
    or Firefox or Safari, so they see that people using Real Browsers are
    interested in the site[0]. Find the contact info for the people in charge
    of the website and fire off a polite e-mail[0]. Appeal to their
    mercenary instincts by saying, "I don't use Windows and I'd like to use
    your Webtech site. If I can't visit Webtech with (Firefox/Safari/lynx)
    then I'll go buy a (Nissan/Ford/Maybach)." Might work if enough people
    do it.

    [0] This assumes that they look at the server logs and don't dump all
    email to webmaster@ to /dev/null. These assumptions may be incorrect.
     
    Dances With Crows, Aug 30, 2004
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  4. explanation snipped to save bandwidth>

    Thanks for explaining that. I wondered what the reason for
    incompatibility was.
    Or you can just install IE and be done with it. Although I prefer
    Netscape, there are quite a few sites out there that will only work with
    IE. As much as I dislike Microsoft, accessing the content I need is more
    important than any religious devotion to an alternative browser, so I
    use Netscape whenever possible and IE only when necessary.
     
    Brian Nystrom, Aug 31, 2004
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  5. Oh, I must've missed when they released IE for Linux...

    Moshe
     
    Moshe Jacobson, Aug 31, 2004
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  6. Huh? You are aware, are you not, that it's impossible to uninstall
    I.Exploder on 'Doze2K or 'DozeXP, and that I.Exploder (version 5 or
    higher) does not exist for any OSes other than Windows or OS X?
    Netscape is nothing more than a behind-the-times Mozilla with additional
    AOL branding. I've heard of these IE-only sites but I'd never seen one
    until I tried to visit Hyundai's Webtech site. (Yes, the National City
    online banking site works fine with Mozilla/Firefox.)
    I.Exploder has many, many security holes that can easily lead to your
    Windows machine being stuffed with spyware/malware. It also lacks
    tabbed browsing. If I run into a site that doesn't work with Firefox,
    I'll send a message to the webmaster explaining that the site is badly
    designed, and that I'm visiting their competitors' sites until they make
    their site work with open standards and standards-compliant browsers.
     
    Dances With Crows, Aug 31, 2004
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  7. No, it's not impossible to uninstall it, but it can be problematic since
    some other applications depend on components of IE. Frankly, I find that
    more annoying than incompatible web sites.

    As for other OS's, you know that when you choose to use one. Yes, it's a
    lousy situation, but for now, we're stuck with Windows as the
    "standard". I dislike it intensely, too, but I dislike not being able to
    access important information even more.
    And your point would be...?
    I've run into several of them.
    I've had no trouble with anything of the kind since installing a
    firewall. I scan regularly for spyware, anyway.
    Yeah, that sucks. I'm not defending IE as a product, as I don't like it
    either. It's just the most expedient way of dealing with sites that
    won't work with other browsers.
    That's great, but how effective has it been? While I absolutely agree
    with you in principle, but from a practical standpoint, if I need
    specific content - such as the data on WebTech - I'm not going to wait
    around to see if the Webmaster is going to change their site to suit my
    browser.
     
    Brian Nystrom, Sep 1, 2004
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  8. And exactly how many people on this newsgroups use Linux? I'll wager
    that there are even more people using OS-X than Linux. When you're a
    minority in the marketplace, you have to expect such issues. Besides, if
    Microsoft wrote IE for Linux, how many Linux users would use it? You'd
    probably be able to count them on one hand.
     
    Brian Nystrom, Sep 1, 2004
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  9. Well I'd think you might lose that bet soon if not already. As regards your
    comment on "minority in the marketplace"- that assertion definitely depends
    on: a) which marketplace you're referring to (US, Asia, EU, etc.), and b)
    what system-type (desktop, server) you're considering. Statistically, Linux
    is NOT a minority in all categories

    The simple issue is that the Hyundai WedTech site was NOT constructed
    utilizing INDUSTRY standards but rather PROPRIETARY vendor-specific
    "standards". A most unfortunate circumstance, since there is absolutely NO
    technical nor service-dependent reason to adopt such posture. Simply, the
    web site "designers" took an expedient and frankly unjustified design
    approach. Unjustified in that:

    1) Korea (Hyundai's REAL home site) has multiple initiatives regarding Open
    Standards (and Linux in particular):

    http://www.asiaosc.org/article_229.html
    http://www.newsforge.com/software/03/07/11/2056234.shtml
    http://www.silicon.com/software/os/0,39024651,10006225,00.htm
    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/01/14/korea_migrates_120k_civil_servants/
    http://www.asiaosc.org/article_229.html

    2) Hyundai itself is adopting not only open Standards but Open Source
    (Linux) as well:

    http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/biz/200403/kt2004031718050911910.htm

    3) Open Standards do (and would have) provide equal if not more service
    flexibility, capability, and ease-of-use (non-browser/OS dependent)

    Bottom-line, the WebTech site was NOT optimally designed and can easily be
    adjusted to provide end-user capabilities which more effectively align with
    Hyundai's (Korea, EU, Latin America, Australia, US, etc) scope and goal of
    maximizing it's customer's objectives..

    Regards,
    Robert G. Ragosta
     
    Robert G. Ragosta, Sep 2, 2004
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