How much should I pay?

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I just read the "How much did you pay?" thread above and it really started
me thinking. I just found this newsgroup yesterday and I'm learning a lot
fast.

I need to buy another car and after checking around have pretty much come
down to wanting a Hyundai Santa Fe. Up until now, I was thinking of buying
a used car and I went to two dealerships yesterday (a Nissan dealer and a
Hyundai dealer) and one today (another Hyundai dealership). Both dealers
are aware that I will be paying cash for whatever I buy, so there are no
issues about financing, credit checks, etc.

At the Nissan dealer I looked at a 2005 Santa Fe with a 2.7L engine with
22,000 miles and was about to buy it. But after negotiating with the dealer
we couldn't agree on a price. It was advertised on Vehix.com for $15,995
(in NJ, 08002 zipcode). I started at offering $13,900, then agreed that I
would buy it if I could get it for a price in the low 14-thousands, but
after the routine hoopla they said they couldn't accept that price. In the
end, I would have bought it for $15,000 but they said they didn't know if
they could do that, would have to ask someone else, etc. So, I thanked
them, shook their hands, and left.

After that, I went to a Hyundai dealership and checked out a 2004 Santa Fe
with 59,500 miles, a 3.5L engine, leather seats, etc. The 3.5L engine was
much better and I'm glad I didn't buy the 2005 2.7L that I test-drove
earlier. We never ended up even talking about a price on the 2004 3.5L
because the salesperson and the sales manager both goofed and said it wasn't
a 4-wheel drive, and I only want a 4WD. When I got home, the salesperson
had already called and said he made a mistake, that it is a 4-wheel drive,
and I agreed to go back tomorrow to look at it again.

Now I'm reading posts here that seem like people are able to pay almost
$5,000 less than the MSRP for a new 2006 or 2007. So, I may end up
switching and buying a new 2006 or 2007 Santa Fe, AWD, 3.5L engine.

I had already signed up for a year of Consumer Reports online that rates
cars, etc. (which is partly how I ended up choosing a Hyundai Santa Fe).
But, I didn't realize that the $14 price information they sell was anything
worthwhile. But -- thank you Eric G. -- I now know it really does provide
valuable information. In fact, I'm about to sign up for the $39, 3-month,
unlimited online price quote subscription.

Sorry for being so long-winded. Any thoughts or feedback about any of this,
the prices for a used 2005 or 2004, the price I should be able to get on a
2006 or 2007 Santa Fe 3.5L, etc. would certainly be appreciated.

P.S. -- Eric G. -- you mentioned that you are in NJ and, like me have to
pay the lovely 7% sales tax. I am in Camden County so if by chance you went
through a dealership in my area, any thoughts on that would be welcome.
 
I had already signed up for a year of Consumer Reports online that
rates cars, etc. (which is partly how I ended up choosing a Hyundai
Santa Fe). But, I didn't realize that the $14 price information they
sell was anything worthwhile. But -- thank you Eric G. -- I now know
it really does provide valuable information. In fact, I'm about to
sign up for the $39, 3-month, unlimited online price quote
subscription.
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You're welcome. I'm sure it will help you save much more than the cost of
the subscription.
P.S. -- Eric G. -- you mentioned that you are in NJ and, like me have
to pay the lovely 7% sales tax. I am in Camden County so if by chance
you went through a dealership in my area, any thoughts on that would
be welcome.
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I'm in Camden county a lot, but I live in Mercer, and have no experience in
your area with car buying. I can tell you that a friend of mine did very
well in Burlington. I don't know the name of that dealer, but it may just
be Burlington Hyundai. I have purchased exclusively at Brad Benson Hyundai
in South Brunswick (only about 15-20 mins. from me) so far, though I have
also shopped at Colonial in Trenton.

Good Luck.
Eric
 
IMHO, Consumer Reports has never been worthwhile or accurate on what they
report. They are very biased in their reporting based on who know what.
They have rated cars and appliances in the past that I have owned and every
one of them was erroneously reported to have defects and deficiencies that I
never saw. I wondered what in the world they had been looking at. It was
like watching a Cassius Clay boxing match reported by Howard Cossell. You
wondered what fight he was watching. Like I said, it's my opinion, but I
wouldn't take their magazine to the outhouse. Totally worthless. I sure as
heck wouldn't pay them extra to give me price quotes.

Tom
 
Eric G. said:
I'm in Camden county a lot, but I live in Mercer, and have no experience
in
your area with car buying. I can tell you that a friend of mine did very
well in Burlington. I don't know the name of that dealer, but it may just
be Burlington Hyundai.
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Thanks. It's called City Auto -- Hyundai City. I was there yesterday and I
am going back there tomorrow.
 
IMHO, Consumer Reports has never been worthwhile or accurate on what they
report. They are very biased in their reporting based on who know what.
They have rated cars and appliances in the past that I have owned and every
one of them was erroneously reported to have defects and deficiencies that I
never saw.
Click to expand...

The worst appliance we ever owned was rated as Best Buy
by Consumer Reports. Bought it on the strength of their
report. Never did get more than two months out of it,
the loaner fridge was a much better deal.
 
BETA-2K said:
I just read the "How much did you pay?" thread above and it really started
me thinking. I just found this newsgroup yesterday and I'm learning a lot
fast.

I need to buy another car and after checking around have pretty much come
down to wanting a Hyundai Santa Fe. Up until now, I was thinking of
buying a used car and I went to two dealerships yesterday (a Nissan dealer
and a Hyundai dealer) and one today (another Hyundai dealership). Both
dealers are aware that I will be paying cash for whatever I buy, so there
are no issues about financing, credit checks, etc.

At the Nissan dealer I looked at a 2005 Santa Fe with a 2.7L engine with
22,000 miles and was about to buy it. But after negotiating with the
dealer we couldn't agree on a price. It was advertised on Vehix.com for
$15,995 (in NJ, 08002 zipcode). I started at offering $13,900, then
agreed that I would buy it if I could get it for a price in the low
14-thousands, but after the routine hoopla they said they couldn't accept
that price. In the end, I would have bought it for $15,000 but they said
they didn't know if they could do that, would have to ask someone else,
etc. So, I thanked them, shook their hands, and left.

After that, I went to a Hyundai dealership and checked out a 2004 Santa Fe
with 59,500 miles, a 3.5L engine, leather seats, etc. The 3.5L engine was
much better and I'm glad I didn't buy the 2005 2.7L that I test-drove
earlier. We never ended up even talking about a price on the 2004 3.5L
because the salesperson and the sales manager both goofed and said it
wasn't a 4-wheel drive, and I only want a 4WD. When I got home, the
salesperson had already called and said he made a mistake, that it is a
4-wheel drive, and I agreed to go back tomorrow to look at it again.

Now I'm reading posts here that seem like people are able to pay almost
$5,000 less than the MSRP for a new 2006 or 2007. So, I may end up
switching and buying a new 2006 or 2007 Santa Fe, AWD, 3.5L engine.

I had already signed up for a year of Consumer Reports online that rates
cars, etc. (which is partly how I ended up choosing a Hyundai Santa Fe).
But, I didn't realize that the $14 price information they sell was
anything worthwhile. But -- thank you Eric G. -- I now know it really
does provide valuable information. In fact, I'm about to sign up for the
$39, 3-month, unlimited online price quote subscription.

Sorry for being so long-winded. Any thoughts or feedback about any of
this, the prices for a used 2005 or 2004, the price I should be able to
get on a 2006 or 2007 Santa Fe 3.5L, etc. would certainly be appreciated.

P.S. -- Eric G. -- you mentioned that you are in NJ and, like me have to
pay the lovely 7% sales tax. I am in Camden County so if by chance you
went through a dealership in my area, any thoughts on that would be
welcome.
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You may want consider a new (2006) Santa Fe. I see that Hyundai is offering
a $3000.00 rebate.Just a thought.
Barry/Austin
 
IMHO, Consumer Reports has never been worthwhile or accurate on what
they report. They are very biased in their reporting based on who
know what. They have rated cars and appliances in the past that I have
owned and every one of them was erroneously reported to have defects
and deficiencies that I never saw. I wondered what in the world they
had been looking at. It was like watching a Cassius Clay boxing match
reported by Howard Cossell. You wondered what fight he was watching.
Like I said, it's my opinion, but I wouldn't take their magazine to
the outhouse. Totally worthless. I sure as heck wouldn't pay them
extra to give me price quotes.

Tom
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Tom, you are certainly entitled to your opinion. Although I don't see the
bias that you are talking about, I do think that they have a semi-critical
flaw. They should purchase about 5 examples of each product they test,
possibly from different locations, to get a representative quality sample
of the product. I think they refrain from doing that because the average
customer can't do that either. But I think it would help with the quality
and reliability ratings a bit.

With that said, I personally have never been disappointed by them EXCEPT
for their automobile ratings. I do, however, think that their new/used car
purchasing guides are very useful. Especially the financial portion.

Eric
 
Barry said:
You may want consider a new (2006) Santa Fe. I see that Hyundai is
offering a $3000.00 rebate.Just a thought.
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After reading the prior posts about the amount of discount off the MSRP that
people are getting, that's exactly what I was thinking. I'm signing up for
the $39 Consumer Reports deal this morning and will be looking at prices for
a new 2006. I started thinking that if I was willing to pay $15,000 for a
2005 with 22,000 miles, that may not be too far from the price for a new
2006. And, while I like the fact that the 2007's have side curtain air bags
in the front and back, I am not sure I like the new look of the 2007's.
 
After you drop the $39 for the 'Consumer Reports deal', let us know how much
off of list price they told you you should get. I am geniunely interested
to see if it is worthwhile. Compare your price to that shown on
www.carsdirect.com. Please let us know if it's a good deal or not.

Thanks,

Tom
 
I have never used Consumer Reorts car services even though I do subscribe.
I have always just gone to www.kbb.com and have never been disappointed.
The $39 may be a good idea for some (but I can't come to grips as to why
since everything you would ever want to know can be obtained FREE off the
Internet) but if you do your research, you'll be able to buy a car for the
same or LESS than what Consumer Reports says you should pay. My purchase
of my 2007 Limited Sonata is a perfect example as I paid a few hundred
less than what Consumer Reports stated I should have paid.

You need to know what questions to ask like:

1. How much in dealer hold-back monies are there?
2. How much is advertising costs torwards dealer invoice?

Each of these are fully negotiable and I had them both given back to me as
part of my deal.

The ball is in your court gentlemen but you don't need to spend $39 to get
the answers to your questions! Just send it to me:)

Larry
 
BETA-2K said:
I just read the "How much did you pay?" thread above and it really started
me thinking. I just found this newsgroup yesterday and I'm learning a lot
fast.

SNIP>
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I researched on the net with Yahoo, Edmunds, NADA, and Kelly.

When I was satisfied with what the car was actually worth and knew exactly
how much I was willing to pay,
I sent an email to 8 Hyundai dealers with my offer.

Four met my terms and I purchased my 2005 Santa Fe from the closest one.

Simple, no hassle car shopping. And yes I feel like I got a great deal.

Norm
 
Tom said:
After you drop the $39 for the 'Consumer Reports deal', let us know how
much off of list price they told you you should get. I am geniunely
interested to see if it is worthwhile. Compare your price to that shown
on www.carsdirect.com. Please let us know if it's a good deal or not.
Click to expand...

I signed up for the $39 3-month unlimited new car pricing and $26 3-month
unlimited used car pricing. I'm glad I did it because I wanted to have some
idea what would be reasonable for me to pay for either a new 2006 or a used
2005 or 2004.

I looked at he www.carsdirect.com website and the new car "target" prices
seemed similar to what Consumer Reports pricing showed. I just didn't get
exactly how the carsdirect.com plan would actually work. But, if I was
looking for a new car, that might be a good way to go.

For used cars, the carsdirect.com pricing and ads seemed out of whack -- on
the high side and the ads are not very complete at all. What I ended up
doing was looking at www.vehix.com , www.cars.com , www.autotrader.com , and
www.carmax.com and the using the used car pricing guide through Consumer
Reports to get an idea of what a realistic price would be. I ended up
buying a 2004 Santa Fe LX 4WD 3.5L engine, leather seats etc., and 22,560
miles for $14,300 which was less than the pricing Consumer Reports said were
typical, and which a lot less than the $15,995 asking price on the vehix.com
ad for that particular vehicle and dealership.
 
BETA-2K said:
seemed similar to what Consumer Reports pricing showed. I just didn't get
exactly how the carsdirect.com plan would actually work. But, if I was
looking for a new car, that might be a good way to go.
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I bought my Sonata through Carsdirect, and I also had the CR pricing
report. The prices were virtually identical for both. My
understanding is that the dealer pays Carsdirect what amounts to a
finders fee and agrees to offer the no-haggle pricing which still has
enough profit in it to keep the dealer happy.

It is not the lowest possible price. If you went in a negotiated for
hours, you could probably get a better deal. But the pre-negotiated
price saves a lot of time and that happened to matter a _lot_ to me. I
had no time to play. My entire time at the dealer from showing up to
keys in pocket was around an hour basically.

Downsides: I did have to call and nag my Carsdirect rep repeatedly to
get them to tell me OK, come get the car. They never actually said
those words. After a week of no action, I ended up just showing up at
the dealer and said here I am, where is my car. Bit of a shock to them
but they already had ALL my info from Carsdirect and got with the
program immediately. No problems.
For used cars, the carsdirect.com pricing and ads seemed out of whack -- on
the high side and the ads are not very complete at all.
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Right. Noticed the same thing. The used car ads are paid ads placed
and priced by the dealer. It's basically just a used car classified
service.
 
I had actually spent a lot of time initially researching on edmunds.
kbb & this forum. Then I heard of the dealer I eventualy bought my
Sonata from. They advertise a price online & sell for that same price
with no hidden costs. The best part was there was no haggling and at
the end of the day I paid a price which no other dealer in the area
could offer. I feel satisfied since it was a very stress free
experience & I think I got a pretty good deal. youc can check their
pricing online at fitzmal.co.. Just my thoughts....
 
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