Hyundaitech - My first and last

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Fred, Jul 1, 2008.

  1. Fred

    Fred Guest

    I have a 2004 Tiburon - 4 Cyl - 5 Speed Manual - with less that 14,000 miles
    that I
    purchased in October of 2005. It has been driven at least 5 days a week since
    I purchased it new in October of 2004.

    My dealer's service manager now tells me that if I do not replace the timing
    at a cost of almost $800, or $200 per year, or 6 cents per mile ... I will no
    longer be covered by the 10 year, 100,000 mile warrenty.

    I don't expect you to do anything about it, but my next vehicle will not be one
    that expects me to spend this kind of money to retain a "Ten-Year, 100,000 mile
    - Best in the industry" warrenty.

    This sucks!
    Fred, Jul 1, 2008
  2. Fred

    Mike Edwards Guest

    Just curious. Did the Service Manager tell you why you need a new timing
    belt at less than 14,000 miles?? I believe these belts should be good up
    until around 70,000 miles. Possibly it's defective which might be covered
    under the warranty.

    Also, I think if you do some research you're going to find that NOT
    replacing a timing belt, when needed, on ANY car is pretty much going to
    void the warranty. I don't think Hyundai is the only one that does this.

    '08 Elantra
    Mike Edwards, Jul 1, 2008
  3. Fred

    nothermark Guest

    Welcome to the real world of timing belts. The cost sounds high but
    the issue is normal. I first had it on a 1967 VW rabbit. You will
    have it on any engine with a belt instead of a chain which is many, if
    not most, 4 cyl engines.
    nothermark, Jul 1, 2008
  4. Fred

    Fred Guest

    The manager never looked at my car.

    I just asked why I had to spend $800 to replace a timing belt with less
    than 14,000 miles on the vehicle.

    He said I "had to replace the belt" to retain the warrenty.

    Again, that sucks.

    There may be another manufacturer in my future when I replace my wife's
    ten-year-old Chryster 300 M ( with less than 60,000 miles on it ) next

    She really likes the Hyundai SUV, but now I don't have the "warm fuzzies".
    Fred, Jul 1, 2008
  5. Fred

    Fred Guest

    I plead stupidity.

    I ( stupidly ) thought that 10-year 100,000 mile meant "10-year 100,000 miles".

    I did not know ( again, my stupidity ) that I would have to spend $200 a yaer
    to replace a timing belt on an engine that has less than 5000 miles a year
    on it.

    It still sucks!
    Fred, Jul 1, 2008
  6. Fred

    razz Guest

    That's not right! A car with 14000 miles and is only 4 years old with normal
    driving miles on the car should not and does not need a new belt. I've never
    seen any vehicle, while I've been a mechanic, that needed a belt with that
    kind of driving on it. Now granted it may be that the belt is defective. But
    that is Hyundai, they are crooked, If you recall I had paint issues with the
    door handles,and not just my car, many of the 2001 Sonata's, which was
    proven there was no primer under the paint. Hyundai still would not cover
    the Poor workmanship and Quality because I was 2 months over the paint
    razz, Jul 2, 2008
  7. It's wrong. I would contact Hyundai Customer Service and report this dealer.
    14k miles is way too soon. My 2002 Sonata 4banger was scheduled at 60k
    intervals for the belt. yes, the warranty can be voided if "proper
    maintenance" procedures aren't followed. Hyundai isn't the only one who has
    this type of clause.

    Regardless, Hyundai I feel is the best bang for the buck out there. I'm on
    my 3rd Hyundai and haven't had a regret yet.

    BTW, the 100k mile warranty begins to pro-rate after 12k miles. I found that
    out after a clutch started giving me trouble at 70k on my 02 Sonata. There's
    always that damn fine print!


    2008 Sonata SE- His
    2005 Grand Cherokee-Hers

    AZ home for sale near Laughlin, Las Vegas, BHC:
    Steve Richards, Jul 2, 2008
  8. Timing belts are made of rubber compounds. The material on belts can
    deteriorate with time, exposure to heat, chemical fumes, and other strains.
    The belts are warranted for both a miles and time interval for that reason.

    From the Gates warranty

    The real problem here is your failure to research and read the maintenance
    schedule to see what is required. Personally, I'd not buy a car with a belt
    for the reasons you cite unless I thought it was still a good deal with the
    added cost. You do oil changes don't you? Filters? Most people do them
    too often and never complain, but when it comes to the more expensive items,
    they act surprised and horrified.

    Considering that most car manufacturers don't warrant there cars for more
    that 36,000 or maybe 50,000 miles, they don't give a damn if you risk
    serious engine failure after 4 or 5 years.

    I don't see a problem. You had choices to make when you bought the car. I
    bought the Sonata that has a chain. With my driving it would be $400 a year
    to replace the belt.
    Edwin Pawlowski, Jul 2, 2008
  9. Fred

    Ghislain Guest

    I don't understand is why it's so expensive on a Tiburon. I had the timing
    belt replaced on my wife's 2002 Elantra and the cost was something like
    $225. Are the engines in a 4-cylinder Tiburon and the Elantra that
    Ghislain, Jul 2, 2008
  10. Fred

    631grant Guest

    Am I missing something, Edwin?? The guy's car has 14,000 miles on it!!!!
    Not 114,000 miles. You're accusing him of all sorts of things including not
    reading the maintenance schedule and being irresponsible. 14,000
    Miles!!!!!!! It sounds like he went to MY dealership!!!
    631grant, Jul 2, 2008
  11. Fred

    Mike Marlow Guest

    He doesn't need to look at your car. Timing belts on all cars that use
    them, are rated for time and/or mileage, which ever comes first.
    I thought it was 6 years or 60,000 miles on a belt, but I may be wrong on
    the time. Check your owner's manual. You'll find your answer there,
    regardless of what the service writer told you.
    It it is at the time limit then he's correct.
    Same for any engine with a timing belt.
    Belts are going away as a technology. I think all of the Hyundai engines
    now use timing chains. No more replacement schedule.
    Mike Marlow, Jul 2, 2008
  12. Yes, you are missing somelthing. Belts can deteriorate with time, not just
    miles. The warranty and maintenance schedule are specific that the service
    be done at a certain time period or miles. Yes, it sucks to have it replace
    at such a low mileage so he has the option of doing it ior risking failure
    and no coverage. IIRC, it is an interference engine so failer will be VERY
    expensive. See below


    Edwin Pawlowski, Jul 2, 2008
  13. Why is it wrong? Miles (engine use) is one factor, but time is another.
    Yes, the belt may last for another 10 or 20 years, but it may go tomorrow.
    If the maintenance schedule gives a time limit, it must be followed or you
    risk losing the warranty. You have a choice to make. Don't take my word
    for it, read the book.
    Edwin Pawlowski, Jul 2, 2008
  14. Fred

    631grant Guest

    Admittedly, you might be right on the 'time limit'. I don't have one of
    those so I don't know what time limit is placed on the belt. They might
    have him on a technicality but I would shop around for a better price and
    also inspect the belt, if it can be gotten at easily.
    631grant, Jul 2, 2008
  15. Fred

    631grant Guest

    Fred, in your service many what is the TIME PERIOD that is required for the
    timing belt replacement? Solve the mystery so we can move on.
    631grant, Jul 2, 2008
  16. Fred

    Fred Guest

    It requires the timing belt replacement at 60,000 miles or 48 months.
    Fred, Jul 2, 2008
  17. Fred

    hyundaitech Guest

    Hey, Fred. I'm going to reply to your post and a few others in this spac
    in the interest of keeping my post count down.

    First, if you check your owner's manual, you'll see that the maintenanc
    interval for the timing belt is 4 years/60,000 miles, whichever come
    first. (You're welcome to verify this. I haven't looked in every manua
    for every Hyundai model, but I don't recall anyting prior to 2006 whic
    had a different recommendation. Edit: during my typing this tome, I se
    Fred did indeed verify the interval.) The time due, in your case, woul
    be four years from the in-service date of the vehicle. Also, if you'r
    not the original owner-- buying a 2004 vehicle in 10/05 makes me suspec
    this-- you don't have the 10/100 powertrain warranty unless you purchase
    one. Second and subsequent owners only get 5/60 powertrain.

    Second, failure to replace the belt doesn't void any part of the warranty
    If you look at your warranty, you'll see that it specifically exclude
    items which that failed due to not having the recommended preventiv
    maintenance done. So, if the belt fails beyond the maintenance interval
    Hyundai isn't responsible for repairing any damage caused by that failure
    On the other hand, if you have some componet that fails and has nothing t
    do with the fact you haven't replaced the belt, that's still covered.

    The reliability of the timing belt on this engine is very good. There's
    near zero probability it'll fail anywhere near the 4 year/60k mil
    interval, and in fact, I wouldn't be surprised if it lasted twice tha
    long. Don't construe this, however, to be the same thing as
    recommendation to not replace the belt. Take the information I'm givin
    you and make up your own mind. The longer you go, the greater the chanc
    of a problem.

    $800 is far too high for replacing this timing belt. My eployer charge
    $490, and I think we're too high. Shop around. If you are indeed th
    original owner, though, insist on a factory belt even if you don't use
    dealer to do the work, keeping in mind that this may increase the cost a
    nondealers. This way, the belt will continue to be covered under th
    powertrain warranty until the next scheduled replacement or until th
    warranty expires, whichever comes first.

    Hyundai still uses timing belts on the 1.6, 2.0, and 2.7 engines.
    haven't been inspecting the owner's manuals of the newer products (sinc
    the belt won't need servicing quite yet), but I believe all the curren
    models with timing belts have an interval in the neighborhood of
    years/90k miles.

    Grant, the reason Edwin suggests Fred hasn't read the owner's manual i
    that the manual indeed specifies 4 years or 60k miles as the servic
    interval on the belt. I agree that 14k is not very many miles, and tha
    this isn't an easy expense to stomach. But, by the same token, Edwin i
    correct that the rubber will deteriorate both with age and flexin
    (running the engine).

    Razz, I'd recommend being careful with what you say. While I agree Fred'
    timing belt is probably nowhere near failure, saying point blank that h
    doesn't need one is a bit negligent. We cannot see his car, and the fac
    remains that Hyundai recommends replacing the belt at 4 years. Would yo
    be willing to pay to repair his car if the timing belt failed? If not
    you shouldn't make this statement. His dealer has done nothing wrong b
    recommending he comply with the maintenance schedule laid out in hi
    owner's manual. The voiding warranty talk is another matter. Also, i
    seems you have a bit of a grudge against Hyundai, which from reading you
    post, appears to have stemmed from Hyundai not fixing a problem which yo
    agree they have no obligation to fix.

    Steve: Hyundai factory warranties do not pro-rate (with the exception o
    the battery warranty). The warranty either covers a repair or it doe
    not. If an original owner's engine fails due to manufacturing defect at
    years and 99,000 miles, it's still covered 100%. If your dealer has bee
    charging you for warranty repairs, you should investigate this

    hyundaitech, Jul 2, 2008
  18. All;

    I have yet to be charged for warranty work, but on my 2002 Sonata,
    they finally got the clutch to replicate the complaint I had which was
    it would occassionally not disengage completely. I found the trouble
    to be the slave cylinder and was told that that since it was at 68,000
    miles, it would need to be pro-rated. Maybe I misinterpreted the
    discussion, but $800 sounded out of line...

    Nonetheless, thanks HT. You rock!

    Steve Richards, Jul 2, 2008
  19. Fred

    razz Guest

    Ya I have a huge GRUDGE against them. It has been proven by three body shops
    that there wasn't any primer to begin with on the handles, which should be
    covered no matter what the warranty states. That ****-up was right from the
    factory from day one. Poor quality control and workmanship.
    razz, Jul 2, 2008
  20. Fred

    razz Guest

    Hyundai must use cheap shit since most manufactures replacement interval is
    60 - 100,000 miles with no time frame. they must use better quality belts.
    But overall I'd still say Hyundai is the best bang for your buck.
    razz, Jul 3, 2008
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