New Hyundai Truck?

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Numan, Jul 25, 2005.

  1. Numan

    Numan Guest

    Does anyone have any idea if Hyundai plans on selling a small to
    mid-size truck in the US? I think they would do a good job filling
    that market. Smaller size, 4 doors, clean burning diesel fuel, and
    at least 30 mpg. That is what I want!

    Numan
     
    Numan, Jul 25, 2005
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    Rick Guest

    Sounds like something I'd sure look at. I wish they would sell the diesel
    sedans here in the States, too. There's not much choice in small diesel cars
    unless want a VW.

    Rick
    SGF, Mo.
     
    Rick, Jul 26, 2005
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    hyundaitech Guest

    They've got plans for a truck, but I'm told it's to be full size.
     
    hyundaitech, Jul 26, 2005
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    Jody Guest

    ive bitched at Hyundai before to offer their diesels in Canada, answer : no
    plans...
    dumb, diesels are popular here and vws are over priced
     
    Jody, Jul 26, 2005
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  5. Numan

    Numan Guest

    See, that is what I drive now. A 2003 VW Jetta TDI, manual. I like the car
    ok but have decided I want a 4 door truck with a small bed to replace it
    at some point in the future. I have had a Hyuandi in the past and liked it
    very much so I wouldn't mind going back.
     
    Numan, Jul 26, 2005
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  6. Numan

    Numan Guest

    I am not going to be biased while asking this question. I am seriously
    wanting to know:

    Do you think this is because of projected sales or the fact that more
    money can be made selling a full size truck. (people's wishes be damned)
     
    Numan, Jul 26, 2005
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  7. Of course. Hyundai is a business, afterall. Besides, what makes you
    think that just because YOU want something that there's a large enough
    market for it to justify production? Compared to equivalent gasoline
    powered cars, diesels are noisy, smelly, overpriced and underpowered.
    Around here, diesel fuel is often more expensive than gasoline. These
    are just some of the reasons that diesels are such a small percentage of
    the market.
     
    Brian Nystrom, Jul 27, 2005
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    hyundaitech Guest

    Hyundai is currently going after market share, so that would be my guess.


    Current speculation is that in another ten years or so, there will only be
    five major auto manufacturers. Hyundai, looking to be one of them, is
    concentrating hard on the U.S., because it's an opportunity for
    significantly boosting world sales. Other markets are more Hyundai
    saturated or too small to make a large difference.
     
    hyundaitech, Jul 27, 2005
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  9. Numan

    Numan Guest

    Of course it is and I do not begrudge them a penny profit. I am not one
    of those people that blame businesses for making money! Hyundai should
    be a shining example to other companies how to break into a market
    with a not so great reputation and turn it all around.
    I am going to choose to ignore the snotty slant to your question.
    I simply asked in my original post IF there was any talk about
    such a vehicle. Now, if you look around you see the smaller size
    trucks all over the place so there IS demand for a smaller size
    pickup. I just wanted to know if there would ever be a more
    up to date version that gets decent gas mileage.
    Yes, diesel cars have a louder engine with a different sound
    and smell all its own. Diesels are more money but not near
    as much as the hybrids and they don't have the very
    expensive to replace battery component. Please don't get
    me wrong, I love the Prius and the only reason I didn't get
    one of them instead of my 2003 VW Jetta TDI is becasue
    it had no sunroof!

    Anyway, two years ago diesel was much cheaper than
    gas and this year it has been more. That is the fault of
    greed and stupidity all across the board.

    I hate to point to Europe as an example for anything, but
    diesel vehicles work just fine for lots and lots of people.
    With clean diesel there is no reason it can't work for
    us in the US just as well.
     
    Numan, Jul 27, 2005
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  10. Numan

    Numan Guest

    It just seems so easy in my mind. If you look around on the roads there
    are tons of the older, small sized pickups. There has to be demand for
    them. And if there isn't now couldn't it be boosted IF someone would
    take the concept and morph everything about it but the size. (MPG
    being one of the most important)
     
    Numan, Jul 27, 2005
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  11. Sorry about that. It wasn't called for.
    I don't know about where you live, but I see a lot more big-ass,
    hulking, overpowered, gas-guzzling Detroit scrap iron than small import
    pickup trucks. Despite high gas prices, as a society, we can't seem get
    it through our heads that bigger ISN'T better. Believe me, I really wish
    this trend would end as I'm tired of dealing with idiots on the road who
    think they're invincible in their behemoths and with the high gas prices
    they cause through increased demand.
    I wasn't comparing them to hybrids, but to their gasoline powered
    siblings. Hybrids don't make any economic sense unless you absolutely
    need a new car...that's "need" as opposed to "want". Even then, you'll
    never recover the increased cost vs. a similar gasoline powered car. On
    the plus side, they do produce lower emissions.
    No argument here.
    Personally, I wouldn't put up with the noise, the horribly offensive (to
    my nose) stench and the lack of power, even if they were the same price
    as a gasoline vehicle. I suspect that I'm far from alone in that feeling.

    I do wish that some of the smaller European and Asian market vehicles
    were available here, as they're smaller size and weight provide good
    performance with smaller, more fuel efficient engines. Unfortunately,
    they don't meet our safety requirements or in many cases, emissions
    requirements. Besides, the first time someone got seriously hurt or
    killed in one of these "micro cars", a flock of sleazebag lawyers would
    be filing suits alleging that they're "defective by design" or some
    other nonsense.
     
    Brian Nystrom, Jul 27, 2005
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    Striker Guest

    You should start seeing them after 2007 model year when Ultra Low sulfur
    diesel fuel in available in the U.S., I do not know if Hyundai will offer
    any but most likely Toyota, Nissan will. I just laugh when I hear people
    talk out of there urban asses and out of total ignorance spewing antidiesel
    bullshit. The reason diesel is a small percentage of the market is due to
    the availability of ULSD. and that is only in cars, in HD pickups diesels
    are in the majority. VW now has a diesel hybrid that get 80 mpg and will
    meet or beat the performance of the Toyota and Honda hybrid yuppie mobiles
     
    Striker, Jul 27, 2005
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    xmirage2kx Guest

    the reason you dont see diesels state side is not all states will sell
    them (ca, being the biggest). And oil companies are pushing for bigger
    cars/trucks so the midsize trucks/suvs/cars are a failing market.
    small cars are getting smaller, and big cars bigger. midsized isnt a
    good market.
     
    xmirage2kx, Jul 28, 2005
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    Numan Guest

    That is why I wondered if maybe Hyundai would be considering it.
    Lots of people don't need or want a full sized pickup and a car
    maker could recognize this and make a bundle.
     
    Numan, Jul 28, 2005
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  15. The problem is that it's not easy, inexpensive or quick to "federalize"
    a vehicle that's designed for another market with different
    requirements. In some cases, making a vehicle DOT compliant requires
    fundamental changes in the structure of the vehicle (due to bumper
    height/strength and crash test regulations), different engines (due to
    emissions regulations), different lighting (due to DOT lighting
    standards),different seatbelts/airbags and many other smaller items, all
    of which require re-engineering. If it was easy, manufacturers would
    offer vehicles made for other markets on "special order" if they weren't
    something that they wanted to keep in inventory here. The truth is that
    it costs millions of dollars at a minimum and there has to be a large
    enough market to justify the cost. Selling a few hundred or even a few
    thousand vehicles isn't enough. For example, did you realize that Toyota
    loses money on every Prius it sells?
     
    Brian Nystrom, Jul 28, 2005
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  16. I think you missed the point. If there's no market, no one is going to
    "make a bundle". It's probable that the market will come back
    eventually, but mis-timing its return could cost a manufacturer dearly.
    It's a risky business.
     
    Brian Nystrom, Jul 28, 2005
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  17. I'm curious as to what diffence that makes? Diesel fuel is readily
    available, as are diesel powered cars for people who want them. There
    simply doesn't seem to be the huge demand the some here believe there
    is. BTW, if you were referring to me above, I live in New Hampshire.
    There isn't any place in this state that truly fits the description of
    "urban". Contrary to your bogus assumption, the nearest place to here
    that you're likely to see people clamoring for diesel cars is in the
    Boston area, where the "enviro-sensitive" urban types tend to
    congregate. In fact, it's the only place I've heard of around here where
    you can buy "bio-diesel" fuel. Who's talking out of their ass now?
    Sure, in BIG vehicles with enormous, fuel guzzling, smoke belching
    engines where low end torque for hauling heavy loads is the most
    important concern. While that's a good application for diesel engines,
    what does it have to do with economy cars?
    Gee, do you think you could you be a bit more hostile? I guess it's only
    acceptable to environmentally concious in the manner that YOU think is
    appropriate. How open-minded of you.
     
    Brian Nystrom, Jul 28, 2005
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  18. Numan

    Numan Guest

    I agree with you on quite a few points. It just kills me to see one or
    two people riding in a vehicle made for 12.

    I just think that some of the people who don't want a big truck a
    re buying cars now but would buy a modern, small sized, decent
    mpg pickup. I may be 100% wrong.
    Diesels produce less green house emmisions but more particles
    in the air. With the introduction of clean diesel these cars
    will be almost as clean as the hybrids. I just don't understand
    what is taking so long. I would love to have a diesel hybrid.
    Great mpg and decent power!
    And again ,just like in Europe, they still sell gas powered vehicles
    for people who don't like diesels. You do realize we would have
    to import the stricter traffic laws to go along with the tiny cars?
    I am not apposed to this. I do the speed limit on the Interstate and
    let people pass me.

    You are right about the lawyers.
     
    Numan, Jul 28, 2005
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  19. Numan

    Numan Guest

    Well, there is nothing wrong with starting from scratch. I know
    that other car makers are using computers to speed up the
    process.

    I just think that they are missing the boat, either on purpose
    or not.
    Why would they do that?
     
    Numan, Jul 28, 2005
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  20. Numan

    Numan Guest

    I say, "Bring 'em on!"
     
    Numan, Jul 28, 2005
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