Oil Drain Plug O.K.! End type Filter Wrench ?

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by taters2, Feb 7, 2007.

  1. taters2

    taters2 Guest

    On the Kia You must use a End type filter wrench on a Rachet extention , It
    is an 06 4 cylinder 2.4 litre. I have a wrench thats very close but no
    cigar!
     
    taters2, Feb 7, 2007
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  2. taters2

    Tom Guest

    My filter wrench is the end type and also doesn't quite fit the filter. It
    slips so I took a piece of rubber tubing and laid it across the wrench and
    then pressed it against the filter. Off it came!!!! It just needed a
    little shim to fit that wierd size filter. Is this a scheme to lock us into
    the dealer? I have a whole shelf of filter wrenches collected over the
    years and none fit it.....


    Tom
     
    Tom, Feb 9, 2007
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  3. You know, the first time I replace a filter, I need a wrench. Whether it is
    a new car, or one put on by a dealership, a fast lube place or whatever,
    they are all on VERY tight.

    But after that, I tighten it the way the directions tell me to - and ONLY by
    hand. Funny thing is, after that, unless it is so buried I can't get my
    hand on it, I can always remove all my filters by hand - I don't need a
    wrench and none of them have ever leaked, felt loose, or come off.

    So if you got if off the first time, your troubles may be over - IF you're
    tightening it the way you're supposed to, and can get your hand on the
    filter.

    Tom Wenndt
     
    Rev. Tom Wenndt, Feb 9, 2007
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  4. taters2

    Matt Whiting Guest

    I also tighten mine only by hand (2/3 to 1 turn as specified by the
    particular filter), but after 5,000 miles I still usually need a wrench
    to remove them. The gasket seems to attach to the engine block pretty
    well after 5,000 miles of heat and vibration.

    Matt
     
    Matt Whiting, Feb 9, 2007
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  5. taters2

    Matt Whiting Guest

    Also, I change my oil with the engine hot and I can't stand my hand on
    the filter due to the heat. It is hard enough removing the drain plug
    when hot!

    Matt
     
    Matt Whiting, Feb 9, 2007
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    Tom Guest

    For the 4 cyl Sonata, the filter is up inside the engine compartment and the
    only access is through a hole in the plastic windage cover below the engine.
    You need the wrench even if the filter is torqued normally. In my case, a
    small twist is all that was needed to loosen it after I got the wrench to
    'grip' with the rubber helper strip.
     
    Tom, Feb 9, 2007
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  7. I know that some people have pilloried Fram filters in this group. But that
    is why I continue to use Fram Tough Guard on all my cars. That black
    coating they put on the end of their filters makes it so simple to loosen by
    hand - IF you can get to it.

    My daughter has an older Geo Prizm, where the filter is virtually IN the
    exhaust manifold. There I have to let the engine almost completely cool,
    even if I do try to use a wrench or I will have slightly burned knuckles for
    a few days.

    In the Winter (like it is now), I actually prefer the engine warm, as my oil
    changing station is just an unheated garage, and the warmth keeps me from
    freezing. In Summer, I put the vehicle up on ramps, and just let it sit
    there for a minimum of two hours, while I go do something else.

    But if you have the grippiness of the Fram, the filter is accessible, and
    you changed the filter last time, and tightened it the way you're supposed
    to, give it a whirl. For years, I had just by nature used a wrench, and now
    just recently I've learned that I don't have to.

    Tom Wenndt
     
    Rev. Tom Wenndt, Feb 10, 2007
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  8. taters2

    Tom Guest

    I've never used a wrench to tighten an oil filter for the reason you state,
    Rev. IF you can get to it, you can loosen it by hand. Never had one leak
    in the hundreds of times I've done it.
     
    Tom, Feb 10, 2007
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  9. Correct me if I'm wrong, Tom, but IIRC, it is stated on both on the package
    of a new filter wrench and in the owner's manual that a filter wrench is
    supposed to be used ONLY for loosening, NEVER for tightening.

    The way they make those filters anymore, I would be afraid of putting a
    small puncture in one if I used a wrench to tighten it. I will occasionally
    do that when I have to loosen one using a wrench, after it was put on at the
    dealership or fast oil change people.

    To me, that is a HUGE no-no.

    Tom Wenndt
     
    Rev. Tom Wenndt, Feb 10, 2007
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    tjnamtiw Guest

    Hi Tom,

    I said I 'NEVER' used a wrench to tighten it. You read me wrong. I've
    crushed a couple filters getting them off, like you said after a dealer or
    quick lube change.

    Tom
     
    tjnamtiw, Feb 10, 2007
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  11. No, no, no, no, no - I did get what you said. But I get the impression that
    there are more than a few people (and maybe a few of those fast oil change
    places) that must be using a wrench to tighten those things.

    I asked you that question, because you clearly are one of the people that
    "get it."

    But how come the ones who "get it" are never the ones working at these
    places??

    Sorry for the misunderstanding. It is hardly the first time my inability to
    communicate what I want to say properly has not come through.

    Tom Wenndt
     
    Rev. Tom Wenndt, Feb 10, 2007
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