Oil Filter price

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Eric G., Feb 4, 2006.

  1. Eric G.

    Eric G. Guest

    OK, I hit 6,000 miles and did my first oil change myself (the first was a
    freebie from the dealer where I purchased tha car).

    My dealer wanted $19 for the cartridge filter on the '06 V6 Sonata WITHOUT
    the O-rings (wanted another $2 for the 2 O-rings). A total of $21.

    So before purchasing I called another dealer which actually happens to be
    closer to my home, but in a pretty bad area. Anyway, they quoted my $6.82
    for the filter AND the O-rings. However, when I got there, we found that
    he apparently made a mistake and it was acutally $10.50 for the kit. Still
    much better than the other dealer. He also threw in the washers for the
    oil drain plug. I bought two kits from him for less than one would have
    cost at the original dealer.

    The oil change was really a piece of cake. I really like the canister
    filter. Much easier than having to lay on your back and try to crank the
    thing off with a filter wrench.

    The only extra step is working to get the old O-rings off the spindle. The
    tiny one was particularly annoying, but I managed to get it with a pair of
    needle nose pliers. Putting the new O-rings on was easy.

    I did need to add a full 6 quarts of Mobil 1 to get it up to the full mark
    on the dip stick. It cost me $30 for oil as I was unable to find a sale.
    I will be watching the sale fliers in the future and probably buying by the
    case if I can.

    Anyway, just thought I would share. Sorry for the long post.

    Eric
     
    Eric G., Feb 4, 2006
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  2. Eric G.

    Matt Whiting Guest

    Pays to shop around, eh? Does NAPA carry filters yet for your 06? They
    might be cheaper yet and likely higher quality to boot. My 2.4L still
    uses the spin-on filter, but I haven't yet changed the oil (1800 miles
    now), but will soon. I plan to change at 2500 using dino oil again and
    then switch to Mobil 1 at 5,000 and change at my usual 5,000 mile
    intervals after that.

    My local dealer offered me a free oil change if I give them all top
    scores on the survey I'm supposed to receive following the "recall" work
    that was done on my car (replacing the seat recline handle, rubber in
    the cup holder, trim pieces in the door handles and adding extra glue to
    the headliner in the rear seat area). I asked him for three free oil
    filters instead as I change my own and he agreed to that. However, I
    have yet to get the survey so he may not get the results back before I
    need my first oil filter! In that case, I'll likely buy a NAPA Gold if
    they have them on hand in time. The price will likely be similar or
    less than the $9 wanted by the dealer, and the Gold is a pretty good
    filter from all accounts I've read.


    Matt
     
    Matt Whiting, Feb 4, 2006
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  3. Eric G.

    Eric G. Guest

    For the price I paid, I will probably stick to the Hyundai filter for a
    while. I did check NAPA and Advanced Auto and both told me to not
    expect a filter until after the summer at the earliest.

    One thing I did discover at the auto parts stores was that apparently GM
    (Chevy to be exact) is also starting to use canister filters on a couple
    of models. One of them was the same length and OD, but had a smaller ID
    than mine. Not that I would have used it if it did match, but it was
    interesting to see other auto makers also going with the canister. That
    filter was at NAPA and only cost $1 less than the Hyundai filter, but
    did not have any O-rings in the box (maybe not needed on the Chevy?).

    I may also switch to a longer interval using the synthetic, but I
    haven't decided for sure yet.

    I also remember reading about your mud flaps. The dealer where I
    purchased the car told me it would be $129 for the 4 mud flaps. He told
    me there were 4 different part numbers. I passed on that while I was
    there. When I came home I looked on Hyundais web site and it showed
    only 2 part numbers (1 front pair and 1 rear pair). While I was on-line
    I ordered the mud flaps from the same dealer that gave me the cheaper
    oil filter and paid only $59-something for the two pairs.

    What amazes me about these two dealers is that the one that is cheaper
    on the parts will not budge on the price of a new car, while the other
    dealer gave me the car for exactly what I wanted to pay (after a bit of
    haggling) but rips off customers for the parts. Go figure.

    Eric
     
    Eric G., Feb 4, 2006
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  4. Eric G.

    Matt Whiting Guest

    Wow, $129! Yes, only two part numbers as you found out. I paid
    $20/pair with the total being about $8 and that included the shipping!
    I've since ordered the hood deflector from them and have been pleased
    with both orders. They came quickly and the prices can't be beat.

    Matt
     
    Matt Whiting, Feb 5, 2006
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  5. Eric G.

    Bob Guest

    The kit (Oil filter and O rings in a box) was ~$12 here in Wilmington, NC.
    According to the parts book, the oil filter is not a separate item. It's
    only sold as a kit. Part number 26320-3C100. Also, Purolator will have one
    out in about a Month. Part number L35610. I talked to an engineer at the
    plant in Fayetteville, and they are about to start production. Apparently, a
    given type of filter is not made continuously - and this has not been made
    before. They tool up, make four trillion of whatever filter, and move on to
    the next that they need sock of.
    5 Quart jug of Mobil 1 at Wal-Mart is usually $20.00. But two, and the
    second jug will last you five oil changes at 1 quart per. I've been using
    Wal-Mart supertech full synthetic with no problems. That runs between $9
    and $12 for 5 quarts. I just got rid of a 2003 Malibu with 60 K miles on it
    that was run since 10k with that in it. I peeked in the valve cover, and it
    was very clean, as was the innards of the oil filter mount. No leaks,
    either. It's packaged by Warren Performance Products. It is really Quaker
    State http://msds.walmartstores.com/cache/23945_1.pdf
     
    Bob, Feb 5, 2006
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  6. Eric G.

    Matt Whiting Guest

    It is odd that Hyundai chose a 6 quart capacity for the new V-6. I
    wonder of the top-o-the-engine canister filter required more capacity.
    I'm glad my 4 cylinder uses less that 5 quarts so I can get one change
    per 5 quart jug. Even the big old American V-8s got by with 5 quarts,
    at least the ones I remember. :)


    Matt
     
    Matt Whiting, Feb 5, 2006
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  7. Eric G.

    Bob Guest

    A simplistic way to say it, but..... ~20% more oil molecules to break down
    before you are out of useable molecules can't be a bad thing. I believe that
    oil wear, and not dirt is the primary reason diesels have so much more oil
    in them. Another question... Does all the oil drain out of the filter
    between starts? There doesn't seem to be any check valve like on a normal
    filter, and it doesn't have any oil in it when you open it. If so, does this
    mean the engine is starting dry every time? As far as the canister causing
    the need for more capacity, the total volume of it seems to be the same as a
    normal filter.
     
    Bob, Feb 5, 2006
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  8. Eric G. said: "One thing I did discover at the auto parts stores was that
    apparently GM (Chevy to be exact) is also starting to use canister filters
    on a couple of models. One of them was the same length and OD, but had a
    smaller ID than mine. Not that I would have used it if it did match, but it
    was interesting to see other auto makers also going with the canister. That
    filter was at NAPA and only cost $1 less than the Hyundai filter, but did
    not have any O-rings in the box (maybe not needed on the Chevy?)."......

    GM's increasingly common 2.2 L4 Ecotech engine uses a canister, located on
    the top of the engine. It DOES use an O-ring, but all of the filters I have
    purchased already have it pre-assembled into the top of the filter. Once
    you get used to the idea that it is NOT a spin-on, you start to like
    replacing this - a lot.

    Tom Wenndt
     
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  9. Eric G.

    Matt Whiting Guest

    I understand the simplistic answer, I just don't see the need,
    especially since they didn't go to longer change intervals. My only
    thought is that the canister system requires more oil.

    Diesels use more oil because it needs to suspend a lot more particulate
    matter than a gas engine. Look how black the oil in a diesel gets and
    how fast it gets black. The fuel is a lot dirtier and more carbon
    particulate matter is created during combustion.


    Matt
     
    Matt Whiting, Feb 5, 2006
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  10. Eric G.

    Striker Guest

    Striker, Feb 6, 2006
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  11. Eric G.

    hyundaitech Guest

    I've noticed that the oil seems to drain out of the canister in a few
    minutes. If I pull the car in and immediately remove the top of the
    canister, I get oil all over the place. But if I drain the oil first, go
    to parts and get the new oil filter, then return, finish on the bottom of
    the car and remove the top of the canister, it's empty.
     
    hyundaitech, Feb 6, 2006
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