synthetic oil for 06 Sonata V-6

Discussion in 'Hyundai Sonata' started by Deck, Mar 25, 2006.

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    Deck Guest

    saw somewhere in one of these posts that someone is using Wal-Mart
    super-tech synthetic motor oil in his Hyundai. Any idea of who makes the
    Wally_world oil and if it is legal for warranty!!??
     
    Deck, Mar 25, 2006
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    JPH Guest

    My 2005 Hyundai Accent requires oil that meets ILSAC GF-3 or API SJ, SL
    or higher.
    The Wal-Mart Super-tech full synthetic jug indicates it meets ILSAC GF-4
    and GF-3, and also SM/CF, SL, SJ, and SH.
    In other words, it exceeds the requirements set by Hyundai.
    I don't know who makes it; I've heard it was made by Quaker
    State/Pennzoil, but can't confirm that.

    John
     
    JPH, Mar 26, 2006
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    Jody Guest

    i use it, and it meets all requirments for warranty etc.
     
    Jody, Mar 26, 2006
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    Jody Guest

    My tech 2000 jug said product of canada..
    but the oils even recomended on driving television..
    dont know who makes it though, maybye petro can????
     
    Jody, Mar 26, 2006
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  5. I've used it in my Elantra. It's good oil and of course, like any API
    certified oil, it meets or exceeds the warranty requirements. It's
    produced my Warren Oil, a large blending/bottling house that produces
    oils for major brand names. Oil analysis shows that it's comparable to
    brand name synthetics.
     
    Brian Nystrom, Mar 26, 2006
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    Matt Whiting Guest

    Wal-Mart Supertech oil filters are junk, see below and other places:
    http://www.ntpog.org/reviews/filters/filters.shtml

    Maybe the Supertech oil is good, maybe it isn't. Most things at
    Wal-Mart are less expensive for a reason, and that reason is that most
    of their stuff is junk. Look at tools or most anything else and compare
    it to real quality tools, etc. Brand name products should be the same
    whether bought at Wally World or elsewhere, but buying generic store
    brand stuff is a crap shoot in my opinion. However, it is your car,
    Deck, so do what you wish.


    Matt
     
    Matt Whiting, Mar 27, 2006
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    Deck Guest

    you trying to tell me that, after I spend over 20,000 for an automobile, I
    shouldn't skimp on oil? What a concept !:)
     
    Deck, Mar 27, 2006
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    Jody Guest

    i guess the name brands have speacial oil wells?
     
    Jody, Mar 27, 2006
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    Bob Adkins Guest


    Matt, changing the label on a tool or bottle of oil does not magically
    change their properties. Wal-Mart can sell brand name products cheaper
    because they have mega-buying power, not because their label somehow
    degrades the quality. Mobil1 from Wal-Mart is the same quality as Mobil1
    from Pep Boys.

    The only legitimate question is, what's in the SuperTech bottle? The MSDS
    sheet says Pennzoil/Quaker state. Not exactly chopped liver.
     
    Bob Adkins, Mar 27, 2006
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    Deck Guest

    Just bought oil at Peb Boys...penzoil platinum. $3.50 cheaper at wallyworld
    for 5 qts!
     
    Deck, Mar 27, 2006
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    Tunez Guest

    Of course they do, just like Chocolate milk comes from brown cows !!!
    Tunez
     
    Tunez, Mar 27, 2006
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    Matt Whiting Guest

    Did I say that? :)


    Matt
     
    Matt Whiting, Mar 27, 2006
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    Matt Whiting Guest

    Well, now that you mention it, the quality of crude oil does vary rather
    dramatically depending on where it comes from. However, the real issue
    is the additive packages, how well the oil is filtered before packaging,
    how clean the oil handling equipment is, how well the QA tests are done
    to ensure that every batch is up to snuff, etc. Low cost producers of
    many products generally have skimped somewhere along the line. This may
    never cause a problem, then again it may.

    Personally, I think that there are a few areas with respect to car
    maintenance and repair that shouldn't be skimped on. Tires, oil, oil
    filters, and brakes for example.


    Matt
     
    Matt Whiting, Mar 27, 2006
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    Matt Whiting Guest

    I never claimed it did and specifically said above that brand name (and
    labeled) products should be the same everywhere. If you really believe
    that store brand products are exactly the same as brand name products
    other than the label, then that is your prerogative. I know for a fact
    that many industries sort products by specifications and "bin" them for
    sale. The high quality products get sold under a brand name and the
    lower quality get sold to folks that rebrand them. This is very common
    in the electronics industry for example.

    That is the only legitimate question, I agree. However, the MSDS
    doesn't tell you what is in the bottle, it tells you what is supposed to
    be in the bottle. Poor QA may well mean that what is in the bottle
    isn't exactly what is supposed to be in the bottle. And, yes, I
    actually do consider Pennzoil and Quaker State to be the chopped liver
    of oil brands. Quaker State is one of the few oil producers that
    destroyed a bunch of engines due to poor QA that let bad oil get out of
    their factory.


    Matt
     
    Matt Whiting, Mar 27, 2006
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    Bob Adkins Guest

    I don't think Pennzoil/QS or Shell or any other supplier would create a
    blend just for Wal-Mart. That wouldn't make economic sense at all when there
    are already excellent blends to choose from. SuperTech oil is simply
    re-labeled oil that is identical to some other oil. The question is, which
    one? Hint: It's a premium oil that meets all the latest API, SAE, ASTM Etc.
    specs.
    So, you believe every oil maker except for Pennzoil/QS is immune to QA
    problems? Well I've got news for ya! :)

    It comes down to trusting a label. I think Wal-Mart has just as much
    integrity as the next re-seller of bulk-blended oil. In fact, Wal-Mart's QA
    program probably strikes more fear into the oil companies than any other
    outlet. After all, Wal-Mart is probably their most important customer.

    Matt, we've got to be careful today. A person can praise one brand very
    highly and smear another viciously and be embarrassed to find they are
    different in name only.

    We have huge oil bottlers that specialize in economically bottling oil for
    many customers. In order to reduce overhead, I'm sure their inventory
    consists of dozens fewer actual formulations than there are brands. And it's
    subject to change from time to time.

    That brings to mind a neighbor that used to tell me my riding mower was
    junk, and his brand was the highest of quality. One day I took a close look
    at his mower, and the only difference in the 2 were the paint job. I really
    had some fun with that one!

    Moral: Research thoroughly (not just old information) before saying one oil
    is inferior to another.
     
    Bob Adkins, Mar 28, 2006
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    halatos2000 Guest

    "Wal-Mart Supertech oil filters are junk, see below and other places:
    http://www.ntpog.org/reviews/filters/filters.shtml "

    Matt,

    I've been using the super tech filters for years without a single
    problem. They are made by STP. If you open up the box on a bosch, STP
    and a super tech filter you will see that the canister is identical
    down to the letter stampings, save for the label on the outside. In
    this respect I agree with Mr. Bartsch.

    I would question the integrity of information on a website that only
    lists one type of filter to avoid, and completely misses the trainwreck
    called "Fram". Fram filters made since they were acquired by allied
    signal are the ones to avoid. I had one of those blow up on a cold
    start one morning. I've never had a super tech leak or fail. One need
    look no further than the disclaimer at the top of the page to see that
    the information you have posted a link to is meant to be questioned:
    "This review contains no SAE or ASTM test data regarding filtration
    ability or flow information."


    Chris
     
    halatos2000, Mar 28, 2006
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    Bob Adkins Guest

    Chris,

    I thought SuperTech filters were made by Champion Labs. Maybe I'm behind the
    times, as usual. :(
     
    Bob Adkins, Mar 28, 2006
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  18. You're making the assumption that using low-priced oil like Supertech is
    skimping and that higher priced oil isn't. There is no evidence of that.
    I just bought some Pennzoil for less than Supertech. Does that mean I'm
    skimping?
     
    Brian Nystrom, Mar 28, 2006
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  19. So if a problem doesn't exist, you'll just make one up to justify your
    position? Give me a break.
    And that happened how long ago? IIRC, that was something like 25 years
    ago and the problem was corrected. Have you heard of even ONE quality
    issue with modern oils?
     
    Brian Nystrom, Mar 28, 2006
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    Matt Whiting Guest

    It makes tons of sense. Wal-Mart is probably one of their largest
    customers. If they can save 5 cents a quart by cutting back on the
    additive package, that makes loads of economic sense. And it is well
    known that Wal-Mart squeezes its suppliers on price like no other
    company. Read the business press a little and you'll see they are
    legendary for this. And if you think their supplies don't cut corners
    to lower their price and keep their business, you don't know much about
    business.

    Nope, but given a choice between a company that had a documented problem
    and one's that haven't, and a company being squeezed on cost by Wal-Mart
    and one that isn't, I'll take the latter every time. :)

    Ha, ha, ha. Wal-Mart has no incoming QA program. They put EVERYTHING
    back on their vendors. Read a little about Wal-Mart's business
    practices. It is very enlightening.

    Yes, that is always possible.

    Yes, and they also try to make the lowest common product they can get
    away with.

    I agree, most cheap lawn mowers are made by just a couple of companys.
    That is why I buy John Deere equipment. So far at least, I've gotten
    quality products.

    I've researched as thoroughly as I can.


    Matt
     
    Matt Whiting, Mar 29, 2006
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