Why aren't gas prices dropping?

Interesting retort. It shows the distortion of labels in the current
Rushvironment of political discourse. The 'public resource' position is
truly mainline Conservative. The 'gouge the proletariat' position is one
direct from the Kompassionate Konservative Kristians running the appointed
government and manipulating the Fox propaganda machine. But then again, the
Rich are different from you and me, aren't they?
john
90 Q and 83 911SC

 

Kompassionate Konservative Kristians running the appointed

....

 

I think you both labeled yourselves. Liberals won't allow domestic oil
development but when gas prices rise blame a republican....go figure.

 

LOL...talk about labels....Rushvironment (I don't care for him myself),
Conservative, Kompassionate (Is K an attempt to label conservatives
commies?, if so thats very typical behaviour for naive far lefties. As
far as Fox goes all media are propaganists...from both sides, so whats
your point? Ahhh....now the last line says it all....wealth envy, now
thats VERY far lefty mentality. If the shoe fits......

 

I want my atomic powered handguns, my flying cars, and my home
biosphere dammit.

*Shakes Fist*

NOTE: This is crossposted, so some of us have not spoken by buying
korean econo-boxes, but by buying gas guzzling SUV's and performance
cars.

 

By having a distaste for supply side economics that means you want all of
our lives to be regulated. I think we should have less regulation and let
the market decide what is best. prices go up when supply is tight. prices
go down when supply is plentiful. H2 may be a nice pipe dream but is
impracticle in the everyday supply chain.

 

What are you smoking? Did you ever think that since the majority of people
think this way that just MAYBE your viewpoint MIGHT be wrong. YOU are truly
misled

 

Thats great. I'd rather have alternatives too. But then you should
expect high prices for oil/gas as a result of preventing domestic oil
development. But thats not what happens.

Thats typical of the wealth envy crowd. I have a distaste for corrupt
big business. Contrary to how most liberals seem to feel, most wealthy
business owners got wealthy through a ton of hard work and are far from
the evil rich greedy types painted on them by so many. I have a
distaste for those wanting to punish them for being successfull.

 

Believe you/me I don't have wealth envy, but I wish I did. I miss having
inspiration and asperations. I to have a distaste for corrupt big business.
The problem is those corrupt big business embrace and exploit supply side
economics. In theory, supply side economics would work great if it were not
for the corrupt big business. In theory communism works. The problem is,
that it seems that a vast majority of big businesses are corrupt. I will
agree there are some business owners who became financially successful by
hard work and honesty and not over extending credit. I'm one of them. Not
only this, but I am one of them who drives a Hyundai.

 

Nikoli Yetti wrote:

I think we all have

Uh as far as fuel efficient, aside from Nissan,
Hyundai is the LEAST fuel efficient foreign car
(not including all those luxury guzzlers)

 

One more semi-OT thought: As another poster in another newsgroup
pointed out, oil is the weapon of mass destruction. Its pollution
poisons us all, we damage our economy by sending money overseas to buy
it, we support awful, abusive governments in foreign countries because
those countries have oil we want, we're addicted to oil, and wars have
been waged over it. We could reduce the destruction done by oil by
reducing our dependence on it. Rather than worry about the price of
gas, we should be learning to live without it.

Where I live, we have a great mass transit system, only it's
underutilized. Partly, it's a status thing. Of course, that doesn't
stop me from using mass transit!

Honda will soon be supplying the City of Los Angeles with
fuel-cell-powered cars, BTW.

Halliburton? Who knows, keeping in mind that Cheney's energy-policy
work has been kept secret from the public's eye...anyway, if we want a
better policy, it's pretty obvious that we shouldn't elect two oilmen
in '04.

Right now, for those who plan to stick with driving, and are looking
for something that's pretty easy to find, the best choices (due to
having the best mileage) are the hybrids from Honda and Toyota. And
that's sweetened by a $2,000 federal tax incentive.

Sadly, US makers keep churning out monstrous vehicles, while dragging
their heels on hybrids. Meanwhile, Honda and Toyota have already
gained years of real-world experience with hybrids that are already
available to US consumers.

Me, I drive an older, conventional car, but mix that with mass
transit. Sure is nice not to go to the gas station very often! BTW, I
read today that filling up a Ford Expedition's 44-gallon tank now
costs $70+, due to higher gas prices, and I've read it's about the
same $$$ to fill up a Hummer H2. Meanwhile, I can buy an unlimited
monthly mass-transit pass for $45.

If you mean the sort of retort you might get in the online world, I
assume you don't worry about what those people think. I've only read
the above from you, but you sound pretty middle of the road to me.
Whoever wins in '04, they'll need voters like you, so it's not a good
sign for the current administration that you're upset, IMHO.

 

Down here in Southern NSW 95 RON costs ($AUD 0.96) cents per litre. (US
currency) which at 3.6l per US gallon works out at around $US2.20 per US
gallon. This is our normal price now.

 

Hey, George has to take care of his boys

 

One more semi-OT thought: As another poster in another newsgroup
pointed out, oil is the weapon of mass destruction. Its pollution
poisons us all, we damage our economy by sending money overseas to buy
it, we support awful, abusive governments in foreign countries because
those countries have oil we want, we're addicted to oil, and wars have
been waged over it. We could reduce the destruction done by oil by
reducing our dependence on it. Rather than worry about the price of
gas, we should be learning to live without it.

Where I live, we have a great mass transit system, only it's
underutilized. Partly, it's a status thing. Of course, that doesn't
stop me from using mass transit![/QUOTE]

Mass transit is fine in the cities, however for many other areas it will
NEVER work just because of the population density being very low and spread
over large distances. Buses would not work for the same reason.

Return on investment on all of these is very poor and until that is worked
out they will not advance, and the current "solution" of tax breaks and
rebates to increase usage is stupid, let them stand on their own merits and
let the chips fall where they may.

And how much is that going to cost LA to install the support infrastructure
and service locations as well as the hydrogen (most of which is also cracked
from petroleum currently) and it's related problems.

Yep need to elect people WHO HAVE NO CONCEPT HOW ENERGY REALLY WORKS, yep
thats it, need to put more idiots in there who don't have a clue like the
prior bunch of liars,thieves,adulterers. yep just what we need.
No that means your CHEAP, Hyundais are the least fuel efficient and poorest
built of the foreign imports, well maybe the Yugo could give it a run for
it's money.

Again they cannot stand on their own, they have to give people MY money just
to buy them, yep great plan. Ever heard of free enterprise and choice?

Toyota happens to have developed their hybrid using GMs money. But if you
think it is such a great idea to buy them then go ahead. Just hope you don't
need to replace any parts.

Good for you. Maybe I CHOOSE to pay to drive my own vehicle for my own
reasons, OH I guess we can't have that huh. Not good for the rest of my
comrades in your system.
Well lets see. Who has the money to spend to open companies and provide
jobs, not the bum on the park bench or the crack addict on the corner. The
companies are started by people who WORK HARD TO SUCCEED, then people like
you come along and bitch about the fact that they have worked their way to
the top. Of course there are others like the Clintons and the Kennedy's who
have made their money the real old fashioned way, you know theft, or
inherited from illegal activities like running illegal alcohol sales and
bootlegging or real HOT investing in cattle that netted more money in one
transaction than for anyone else in history and that are VERY shady.

IT ISN'T THE GOVERNMENTS JOB TO DO IT.

 

Thats petrol! They said GAS

 

I think the naive part might mean regarding the amount of our tax dollars
are spent on corporate welfare, as compared to the bum who is the crack
addict. Also, the naive part could also mean regarding the Kennedys and the
Clintons not working hard. I think maybe he should look at how the Bush's
obtained their money. In particular George W.

 

I have looked at how He made his money, Not a single thing illegal about it,
just some real good investing. Now if you want to tell me how Joe Kennedy
managed to make his money selling ILLEGAL booze during prohibition and by
forcing importers to pay a tax on items they import. And how little Teddy
can drive a car off a bridge and get that all covered up so he didn't get
hurt, or maybe his kids use of the compound for a LOT of illegal parties. Or
maybe you would like me to toss Hillary in the mix with her law firm that
just cannot remember the smallest thing but then she is put in charge of
health care reform even though she WAS NOT ELECTED, or maybe her hubbies
illegal contributions from the Chinese or the fact that he GAVE AWAY
technology to them that was considered top secret. As for Bill or Teddy
working hard Right, NEITHER ONE OF THEM EVER HELD A PRIVATE JOB, they have
sucked the publics teat from day one.

Oh and as far as corporate welfare goes that is nothing compared to what we
give farmers to NOT grow food or to other groups to NOT perform their
services simply because we have no place to sell them to. If you read the
Constitution you will not find ANY OF THE money we give away mentioned. But
keep putting the die hard Liberals in there and watch how fast they can find
things to spend it on that they have no right to do.

Steve W.

 

LOW LOW Blow there, At least you didn't say USED car salesman.....

 

I have looked at how He made his money, Not a single thing illegal about
it,

Not illegal, but highly immoral. Telling West Texas farmers that their land
is worth nothing knowing full well that there is oil underneath is very
immoral. Also, how did George W. go from being a party animal to a
$250,000.00 a year job with no experience? I live in Texas, and am family
friends with alot of people in the oil business, and I can tell you that the
Bush family has alot of shady dealings here in Texas. Also, Take a look at
George W. dealings with the Texas Rangers, and how he bilked the residents
of Arlington, Texas to build a Baseball park using Tax dollars. Sure most
sporting teams do it this way, but investigate further; and see how George
W. did it. We will also see in coming months plenty of shady dealings with
Halliburton, if you haven't noticed some of them already. As far as Bill
Clinton giving away secrets to the Chinese, I hear this often; but there
seems to be no evidence of this being true, or even remotely true. As far
as corporate welfare, I encourage you to look into this further. On farm
subsidies, there are some good reasons why they exist. But are you sure
they started with Democrats? On Govt. spending; Reagan and Bush spent more
of the Govt. money, then all the previous administrations combined. That is
a fact. Our deficit and debt became ridiculous, devaluing our dollar
forcing us into the last recession. Now in all fairness Bush Sr. did start
scaling down the military and closing bases, which did help with some
defense spending. Clinton comes in, does not raise taxes (along as you made
below $180,000.00 annually) cut 300,000 non military Govt. jobs, and
actually slightly increased defense spending, made better foreign relations,
then we have a budget surplus. I recommend one who accuses liberals of
increasing spending to look for their own on whose administrations more
money was spent, and how income taxes were calculated. Don't blame
Congress, because Veto is not an Italian guy in Brooklyn. There is so much
misinformation that Liberal increase Govt. spending it is not even funny.

 

You're wasting your time trying to explain things to that one track
mind. He's a die hard replublican and nothing they do is ever wrong.