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Eric G.
I'm not arguing the physics and mechanics behind it. It just feels
gimmicky when you drive it.
Eric
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I'm not arguing the physics and mechanics behind it. It just feels
gimmicky when you drive it.
Eric
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Steve R.
Agreed. I wish my 06 Sonata had a 5/6 speed manual. Less maintenance too!
The CVTs are just too weird for me. Kept waiting for pushrods to come
through the hood!!!
Steve
The CVTs are just too weird for me. Kept waiting for pushrods to come
through the hood!!!
Steve
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unkadunk
Anyone having any issues with the mileage ?
I just bought a 2007 Tucson 4wd 2.7L and started with around 13 mpg. I
just drove from new York to Chicago round trip plus some side trips
and it went up to 18 mpg. Total mileage 2500. 2000 of which is interstate
highways.
I'm home 1 day now and driving around town it's already down to 17.9.
I called the dealer and I'll be bringing it in this week, but the
salesman started with the " break-in period" . When I questioned how long
till I see the rated 28 or so highway, he didn't know.
Thanks
Our '07 Tucson with v6 after 5000ish miles got 24-25 steady state
cruising on our last trip, far less in stop and go, right now we're
averaging around 19 mpg, and that's with the tires inflated +3 lbs and
steady feet. It ain't no Toyota. Save money up front, or save it
later, it's all a wash it seems.
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Steve R.
Matt,
I have to respectfully disagree with you. I might be opening a can of worms
here, which is not my intention.
I have a brother (Air Force trained) rotary wing mechanic and saw their use
in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. on choppers, tanks, Humvees, etc.
Why would they be used if their filtration isn't all that great? And as far
as racing goes, the company originally was founded and developed air filters
for off-road motorcycle use, which is inherently dusty as well?
Steve, AZ
I have to respectfully disagree with you. I might be opening a can of worms
here, which is not my intention.
I have a brother (Air Force trained) rotary wing mechanic and saw their use
in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. on choppers, tanks, Humvees, etc.
Why would they be used if their filtration isn't all that great? And as far
as racing goes, the company originally was founded and developed air filters
for off-road motorcycle use, which is inherently dusty as well?
Steve, AZ
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ET
I seem to get conflicting reports. The dealer says 24, Hyundai USA says 27
(of course give or take a few.)
(of course give or take a few.)
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Vic Garcia
ET wrote: I seem to get conflicting reports. The dealer says 24, Hyundai USA says 27 (of course give or take a few.)
"Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
"news.verizon.net" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:TFUki.4404$qu5.635@trndny02...
Why does the oil filter matter so much ?
Also, I'm considering taking the loss ad trading it in for a Jeep Patriot. Any comments ??
I called the dealer and I'll be bringing it in this week, but the salesman started with the " break-in period" . When I questioned how long till I see the rated 28 or so highway, he didn't know.
It is rated for 19/24 with 4WD so don't expect to ever see anything more. Most cars struggle to come within 80% to 85% of the EPS rating. After about 5000 miles on my Sonata, the MPG was up about 2 from when it was new.
As for the Patriot, I rode in one for about 20 miles once. I'd never buy one after that as it was uncomfortable and had a choppy ride. The fellow that bought it dumped in within the first six months he had it.
What you do want to do is be sure everything is working properly. Make a note of the rpm as a given speed and perhaps others here with the same model can compare just to be sure there is no slippage and it is shifting properly.
Hyundai USA also claims 19/24, NOT 27, that's the official EPA rating, just a rating for comparatively purposes.
Also that same figure was printed in big letters in the window sticker of the car he drove off the dealer lot, so the OP cannot claim to be duped, unless he cannot read at all, what does not appears to be the case.
"Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
"news.verizon.net" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:TFUki.4404$qu5.635@trndny02...
Why does the oil filter matter so much ?
Also, I'm considering taking the loss ad trading it in for a Jeep Patriot. Any comments ??
I called the dealer and I'll be bringing it in this week, but the salesman started with the " break-in period" . When I questioned how long till I see the rated 28 or so highway, he didn't know.
It is rated for 19/24 with 4WD so don't expect to ever see anything more. Most cars struggle to come within 80% to 85% of the EPS rating. After about 5000 miles on my Sonata, the MPG was up about 2 from when it was new.
As for the Patriot, I rode in one for about 20 miles once. I'd never buy one after that as it was uncomfortable and had a choppy ride. The fellow that bought it dumped in within the first six months he had it.
What you do want to do is be sure everything is working properly. Make a note of the rpm as a given speed and perhaps others here with the same model can compare just to be sure there is no slippage and it is shifting properly.
Hyundai USA also claims 19/24, NOT 27, that's the official EPA rating, just a rating for comparatively purposes.
Also that same figure was printed in big letters in the window sticker of the car he drove off the dealer lot, so the OP cannot claim to be duped, unless he cannot read at all, what does not appears to be the case.
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Matt Whiting
Steve said:Matt,
I have to respectfully disagree with you. I might be opening a can of worms
here, which is not my intention.
I have a brother (Air Force trained) rotary wing mechanic and saw their use
in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. on choppers, tanks, Humvees, etc.
Why would they be used if their filtration isn't all that great? And as far
as racing goes, the company originally was founded and developed air filters
for off-road motorcycle use, which is inherently dusty as well?
Well, there was this little incident in Iran a few years ago. Need I
say more?
Hey, it is your engine, you get to make the call. However, for me, I'll
stick with a good paper filter.
http://home.stny.rr.com/jbplock/ISO5011/SPICER.htm
Matt
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Edwin Pawlowski
ET said:I seem to get conflicting reports. The dealer says 24, Hyundai USA says 27
(of course give or take a few.)
Hyundaiusa.com lists the 4FD at 24 highay. Do you have the window
sticker?
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ET
Correct, It was just stating that the dealer and Hyundai can't seem to even agree on what the correct rating is. Your right about the window sticker. Just too bad they both have their own thoughts instead of what's in print. But 18 MPG on a 2000 mile plus trip is not even close to 24. Nobody is saying they were "duped" as you put it. Read closer before you criticize
ET wrote:
I seem to get conflicting reports. The dealer says 24, Hyundai USA says 27 (of course give or take a few.)
Why does the oil filter matter so much ?
Also, I'm considering taking the loss ad trading it in for a Jeep Patriot. Any comments ??
I called the dealer and I'll be bringing it in this week, but the salesman started with the " break-in period" . When I questioned how long till I see the rated 28 or so highway, he didn't know.
It is rated for 19/24 with 4WD so don't expect to ever see anything more. Most cars struggle to come within 80% to 85% of the EPS rating. After about 5000 miles on my Sonata, the MPG was up about 2 from when it was new.
As for the Patriot, I rode in one for about 20 miles once. I'd never buy one after that as it was uncomfortable and had a choppy ride. The fellow that bought it dumped in within the first six months he had it.
What you do want to do is be sure everything is working properly. Make a note of the rpm as a given speed and perhaps others here with the same model can compare just to be sure there is no slippage and it is shifting properly.
Hyundai USA also claims 19/24, NOT 27, that's the official EPA rating, just a rating for comparatively purposes.
Also that same figure was printed in big letters in the window sticker of the car he drove off the dealer lot, so the OP cannot claim to be duped, unless he cannot read at all, what does not appears to be the case.
ET wrote:
I seem to get conflicting reports. The dealer says 24, Hyundai USA says 27 (of course give or take a few.)
Why does the oil filter matter so much ?
Also, I'm considering taking the loss ad trading it in for a Jeep Patriot. Any comments ??
I called the dealer and I'll be bringing it in this week, but the salesman started with the " break-in period" . When I questioned how long till I see the rated 28 or so highway, he didn't know.
It is rated for 19/24 with 4WD so don't expect to ever see anything more. Most cars struggle to come within 80% to 85% of the EPS rating. After about 5000 miles on my Sonata, the MPG was up about 2 from when it was new.
As for the Patriot, I rode in one for about 20 miles once. I'd never buy one after that as it was uncomfortable and had a choppy ride. The fellow that bought it dumped in within the first six months he had it.
What you do want to do is be sure everything is working properly. Make a note of the rpm as a given speed and perhaps others here with the same model can compare just to be sure there is no slippage and it is shifting properly.
Hyundai USA also claims 19/24, NOT 27, that's the official EPA rating, just a rating for comparatively purposes.
Also that same figure was printed in big letters in the window sticker of the car he drove off the dealer lot, so the OP cannot claim to be duped, unless he cannot read at all, what does not appears to be the case.
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Vic Garcia
ET wrote:
Correct, It was just stating that the dealer and Hyundai can't seem to even agree on what the correct rating is. Your right about the window sticker. Just too bad they both have their own thoughts instead of what's in print. But 18 MPG on a 2000 mile plus trip is not even close to 24. Nobody is saying they were "duped" as you put it. Read closer before you criticize
"Vic Garcia" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
ET wrote: I seem to get conflicting reports. The dealer says 24, Hyundai USA says 27 (of course give or take a few.)
"Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
"news.verizon.net" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:TFUki.4404$qu5.635@trndny02...
Why does the oil filter matter so much ?
Also, I'm considering taking the loss ad trading it in for a Jeep Patriot. Any comments ??
I called the dealer and I'll be bringing it in this week, but the salesman started with the " break-in period" . When I questioned how long till I see the rated 28 or so highway, he didn't know.
It is rated for 19/24 with 4WD so don't expect to ever see anything more. Most cars struggle to come within 80% to 85% of the EPS rating. After about 5000 miles on my Sonata, the MPG was up about 2 from when it was new.
As for the Patriot, I rode in one for about 20 miles once. I'd never buy one after that as it was uncomfortable and had a choppy ride. The fellow that bought it dumped in within the first six months he had it.
What you do want to do is be sure everything is working properly. Make a note of the rpm as a given speed and perhaps others here with the same model can compare just to be sure there is no slippage and it is shifting properly.
Hyundai USA also claims 19/24, NOT 27, that's the official EPA rating, just a rating for comparatively purposes.
Also that same figure was printed in big letters in the window sticker of the car he drove off the dealer lot, so the OP cannot claim to be duped, unless he cannot read at all, what does not appears to be the case.
I stand by my comment, it looks like you were the one that DID NOT read the post.
You said: "I seem to get conflicting reports. The dealer says 24, Hyundai USA says 27 (of course give or take a few.)"
Were did you come with that 27 figure ?????, not from the Hyundai web site.
I said: "Hyundai USA also claims 19/24, NOT 27, that's the official EPA rating"
Just checked from the Hyundai web site.
The OP was: "Anyone having any issues with the mileage ?
I just bought a 2007 Tucson 4wd 2.7L and started with around 13 mpg. I just drove from new York to Chicago round trip plus some side trips
and it went up to 18 mpg. Total mileage 2500. 2000 of which is interstate highways.
I'm home 1 day now and driving around town it's already down to 17.9.
I called the dealer and I'll be bringing it in this week, but the salesman started with the " break-in period" . When I questioned how long till I see the rated 28 or so highway, he didn't know.
Thanks "
So he's getting 17.9 in town, close enough to the EPA figure of 19, the 24 is for highway.
He's trip (during break-in) was 2000 miles hwy. 500 miles town, average was 18 mpg, so hwy was more then 18 mpg.
Correct, It was just stating that the dealer and Hyundai can't seem to even agree on what the correct rating is. Your right about the window sticker. Just too bad they both have their own thoughts instead of what's in print. But 18 MPG on a 2000 mile plus trip is not even close to 24. Nobody is saying they were "duped" as you put it. Read closer before you criticize
"Vic Garcia" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
ET wrote: I seem to get conflicting reports. The dealer says 24, Hyundai USA says 27 (of course give or take a few.)
"Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
"news.verizon.net" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:TFUki.4404$qu5.635@trndny02...
Why does the oil filter matter so much ?
Also, I'm considering taking the loss ad trading it in for a Jeep Patriot. Any comments ??
I called the dealer and I'll be bringing it in this week, but the salesman started with the " break-in period" . When I questioned how long till I see the rated 28 or so highway, he didn't know.
It is rated for 19/24 with 4WD so don't expect to ever see anything more. Most cars struggle to come within 80% to 85% of the EPS rating. After about 5000 miles on my Sonata, the MPG was up about 2 from when it was new.
As for the Patriot, I rode in one for about 20 miles once. I'd never buy one after that as it was uncomfortable and had a choppy ride. The fellow that bought it dumped in within the first six months he had it.
What you do want to do is be sure everything is working properly. Make a note of the rpm as a given speed and perhaps others here with the same model can compare just to be sure there is no slippage and it is shifting properly.
Hyundai USA also claims 19/24, NOT 27, that's the official EPA rating, just a rating for comparatively purposes.
Also that same figure was printed in big letters in the window sticker of the car he drove off the dealer lot, so the OP cannot claim to be duped, unless he cannot read at all, what does not appears to be the case.
I stand by my comment, it looks like you were the one that DID NOT read the post.
You said: "I seem to get conflicting reports. The dealer says 24, Hyundai USA says 27 (of course give or take a few.)"
Were did you come with that 27 figure ?????, not from the Hyundai web site.
I said: "Hyundai USA also claims 19/24, NOT 27, that's the official EPA rating"
Just checked from the Hyundai web site.
The OP was: "Anyone having any issues with the mileage ?
I just bought a 2007 Tucson 4wd 2.7L and started with around 13 mpg. I just drove from new York to Chicago round trip plus some side trips
and it went up to 18 mpg. Total mileage 2500. 2000 of which is interstate highways.
I'm home 1 day now and driving around town it's already down to 17.9.
I called the dealer and I'll be bringing it in this week, but the salesman started with the " break-in period" . When I questioned how long till I see the rated 28 or so highway, he didn't know.
Thanks "
So he's getting 17.9 in town, close enough to the EPA figure of 19, the 24 is for highway.
He's trip (during break-in) was 2000 miles hwy. 500 miles town, average was 18 mpg, so hwy was more then 18 mpg.
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Steve R.
I don't recall the incident in which you refer to, however I do offer my
rebuttal:
http://www.knfilters.com/filter_facts.htm
It's ironic in the fact the AC Delco filter finished 1st in all categories,
when considering the test vehicle was a Chevrolet....although the claim is
made that the testing facility offered to perform all these tests for free?
The machine was $285,000....
rebuttal:
http://www.knfilters.com/filter_facts.htm
It's ironic in the fact the AC Delco filter finished 1st in all categories,
when considering the test vehicle was a Chevrolet....although the claim is
made that the testing facility offered to perform all these tests for free?
The machine was $285,000....
S
southluke
GUEST wrote
Anyone having any issues with the mileage
I just bought a 2007 Tucson 4wd 2.7L and started with around 1 mpg. I
just drove from new York to Chicago round trip plus some side trip
and it went up to 18 mpg. Total mileage 2500. 2000 of which i interstate
highways
I'm home 1 day now and driving around town it's already down t 17.9
I called the dealer and I'll be bringing it in this week, bu the
salesman started with the " break-in period" . When questioned how long
till I see the rated 28 or so highway, he didn't know
Thank
I do not understand why people buy SUVs. They ar
not economy cars. If you want gas milage, get a Prius
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Matt Whiting
Steve said:I don't recall the incident in which you refer to, however I do offer my
rebuttal:
http://www.knfilters.com/filter_facts.htm
Interesting how they make no comparison tests of their filter to other
filters. And how they use only "coarse" dirt in their testing.
It's ironic in the fact the AC Delco filter finished 1st in all categories,
when considering the test vehicle was a Chevrolet....although the claim is
made that the testing facility offered to perform all these tests for free?
The machine was $285,000....
The test wasn't performed by or commissioned by Chevrolet or Delco. It
was performed by an owner of a Chevy and an owner of a Ford. I've seen
other similar tests of K&N filters compared to OEM paper and the results
are always the same.
Like I said earlier, your car, your choice.
Matt
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Matt Whiting
Steve said:I don't recall the incident in which you refer to, however I do offer my
rebuttal:
Oh, I forgot to answer this in my last post.
The incident was the failed rescue attempt of the Iran hostages. This
mission had many problems, but one was that the helicopters couldn't
handle the sand and dust...
Matt
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Steve R.
Thanks for the opportunity to debate Matt. It's refreshing to hear one's
point of view.
Steve
point of view.
Steve
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Brian Nystrom
Not only are you a troll (see the other Tucson thread), but apparentlyThe said:My V6 FWD get 22 city & 32 Hwy. I use Marathon gas to get this great
mileage, as BP puts me at 17 city 26 hwy. I live on Cruise Control
too..........
you're a liar, too. Get lost!
B
Brian Nystrom
Steve said:Matt,
I have to respectfully disagree with you. I might be opening a can of worms
here, which is not my intention.
I have a brother (Air Force trained) rotary wing mechanic and saw their use
in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. on choppers, tanks, Humvees, etc.
Why would they be used if their filtration isn't all that great? And as far
as racing goes, the company originally was founded and developed air filters
for off-road motorcycle use, which is inherently dusty as well?
A couple of points:
1- K&N lies, period. All you have to have is a basic understanding of
filtration and you'll realize that their claims are nonsense (I used to
be in the filtration industry). Except for a few out-and-out scam sites,
I've rarely seem more misleading or blatantly untrue information posted
on a website. Based on that, I won't trust them at all.
2- The military has their own specs for the products they buy and there
in not necessarily ANY correlation between products supplied to the
military and consumer products from the same company, ANY company.
3- Racing applications are essentially meaningless too, as racing
engines only have to survive for the length of a race, or at most
between frequent rebuilds. Their main concern is horsepower output, not
longevity. That's quite different from an engine that's expected to last
well over 100,000 miles without a rebuild in a typical car.
4- Every independent test of air filters I've seen has drawn the same
conclusion: K&N filters improve airflow at the cost of a loss of filtration.
As Matt said, it's your call.
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Tom
I echo southluke's response. Why cry about mileage when you buy an SUV?
Look around the roads and imagine how much less fuel we would use if the
SUV's of all sizes were off the road.
Look around the roads and imagine how much less fuel we would use if the
SUV's of all sizes were off the road.
T
Tom
The K&N filters do help airflow but beware of overoiling the filter when you
clean it. The oil vapors will destroy your mass airflow sensor. Also, It
really shouldn't impact fuel economy because the fuel/air mixture is set by
the computer. If air flows in more easily through your filter, the computer
will still adjust to the same mixture. The K&N's are great for older cars
before computers but do nothing for newer models, IMHO.
Tom
clean it. The oil vapors will destroy your mass airflow sensor. Also, It
really shouldn't impact fuel economy because the fuel/air mixture is set by
the computer. If air flows in more easily through your filter, the computer
will still adjust to the same mixture. The K&N's are great for older cars
before computers but do nothing for newer models, IMHO.
Tom
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Tom
Many of the Jeep's have absolutely horrible mileage. The Jeep Liberty was
really, really bad. My boss had one as a company car and was lucky to get
15 mpg.
really, really bad. My boss had one as a company car and was lucky to get
15 mpg.