bad fuel

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by mk.kemkd, Jul 12, 2008.

  1. mk.kemkd

    mk.kemkd Guest

    are bad fuel give those fault code ?
    P0422 and P1123

    coze when I fill my tank (fuel 92) I hear knocking and pinging

    and car give my those fault code

    hyundai accent model 2000
     
    mk.kemkd, Jul 12, 2008
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  2. mk.kemkd

    hyundaitech Guest

    Bad fuel will not cause these codes. Also, using a higher octane than 8
    in this vehicle will result in a lighter wallet with no benefit in mos
    cases.

    P1123 indicates that the computer thinks the engine has a rich fue
    mixture and is leaning it out. The pinging could indicate a lean mixture
    I see from the previous thread that you've already replaced the leakin
    components of the exhaust. Now, if you haven't yet verified the operatio
    of the oxygen sensor that was installed just before this code occurred, yo
    should go back to that step.

    Otherwise, the potential causes of P1123 I mentioned earlier still apply:

    http://talkaboutautos.com/group/alt.autos.hyundai/messages/37541.html

    Also, I see that the P0422 code has returned as expected. You probabl
    need a catalytic converter. In fact, it's possible you should start wit
    the converter rather than the oxygen sensor. If it's clogged enough, i
    could restrict the exhaust to the point of excessive combustion chambe
    temperatures and confusing the fuel management system
     
    hyundaitech, Jul 12, 2008
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  3. mk.kemkd

    mk.kemkd Guest

    thanks for your replay but the (check lamp) was closed with it self,
    after repair flex pipe and after put fuel i found this knocking and
    pinging and when I asked the technic told me, here was cheated the
    fuel, and this reason for this sound
    and this fault code for this fuel


    so I need just assure this is correct or no
     
    mk.kemkd, Jul 14, 2008
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  4. mk.kemkd

    hyundaitech Guest

    The best assurance is to run the car nearly to empty and refill from
    station with which you deal regularly and have had no issues.

    Did you replace the flex pipe yourself, or did someone else do it? I
    someone else did it, was the check engine lamp out when the car wa
    returned after servicing
     
    hyundaitech, Jul 14, 2008
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  5. mk.kemkd

    mk.kemkd Guest

    Did you replace the flex pipe yourself, or did someone else do it?

    the technician was replaced this flex pipe.

    and I was have those fault code ((P0422 - P1123))
    after replaced this pipe and after many miles I was found the lamp for
    check was closed

    but when put the fuel I found the lamp return, and codes is ((P0422 -
    P1123))

    when I asked the another technician, told me the code was found in
    many cars, coze have cheat fuel in my city was put mix between 80 and
    90 octane


    so i hope to know this code right coze this octane coze in the past
    not have any knocking and pinging but have defect in the flex pipe and
    replaced o2 sensor
     
    mk.kemkd, Jul 15, 2008
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  6. mk.kemkd

    hyundaitech Guest

    If the lamp turned out by itself and the codes were never cleared, tha
    would explain something I found curious.

    P1123 and P0422 will normally not set together. This is because th
    system cannot check the catalyst unless the oxygen sensors are functionin
    normally, and P1123 would indicate a departure from normal function (no
    necessarily caused by the sensor itself).

    It's my hunch that replacing the flex pipe resolved the P1123 issue
    causing the lamp to go out. After some more driving, the P0422 returne
    after the system was able to check the catalytic converter. Low octan
    fuel *can not* cause a catalyst efficiency code. My guess is that yo
    need a catalytic converter, and it may be clogged to the point o
    overheating the combustion chamber.

    Disconnect your battery to clear the codes, and then see which code
    return. This way you'll be able to sort out whether I'm correct that th
    P1123 issue has been repaired but that the code was still held in memor
    after the check engine lamp went out
     
    hyundaitech, Jul 15, 2008
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  7. mk.kemkd

    mk.kemkd Guest

    I will trying, and will telling you, what done?
     
    mk.kemkd, Jul 16, 2008
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  8. mk.kemkd

    mk.kemkd Guest

    how r u

    I was read topics in the net for code ((P1123))

    and this topics say test the fuel pressure and I found my pressure too
    high and for resolve this

    -check the return tube for fuel I found it ok
    -and test the fuel pressure regulator

    I don't know how I test it

    in same topics one say can disconnect the fuel pressure regulator
    and will the fault code was disappearing

    1- I ignition of and disconnect this socket

    http://img483.imageshack.us/img483/7622/dsc023106nt.jpg

    2- (ignition on) found the check lamp is closed but the car not
    normal, and when (ignition of) after while and return Ignition on
    found the lamp return

    3-
    1st I was disconnect this socket and (ignition on) the lamp check
    closed
    2ed return socket but after many miles found lamp return

    need to know if this the coze of this lamp on

    and how i can test this fuel pressure regulator


    or this normal when i disconnect any socket the lamp closed and return
    with it self

    thanks for ur cooperation
     
    mk.kemkd, Jul 19, 2008
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  9. mk.kemkd

    hyundaitech Guest

    What was the actual fuel pressure when you did the test? If it's too high
    you indeed need to check for blockage in the return-- this could either b
    in the pressure regulator or in the return line. A quick way to test th
    return line is to see if you can blow compressed air through it freely.
    Also remove the fuel rail and look in it to be sure there is no blockage.
    If these items are okay, then you can by process of elimination conclud
    that the cause of excessive fuel pressure is the regulator itself.

    1, 2, 3: The device you unplugged is the purge control solenoid. A stuc
    open solenoid can indeed cause a P1123. With the solenoid connecto
    removed, you should not be able to blow through the valve. If you can
    replace it.

    I'm surprised that unplugging the solenoid cause the lamp to go out.
    Normally, this would set a code for an open circuit code for the purg
    control solenoid.

    Also, the ECM normally cycles this valve open and closed rapidly only a
    certain times when the car is running. As an additional test for
    potential wiring or ECM problem, turn the key on but do not start the car
    Recheck to see if you can blow through the purge valve. If you can blo
    through the valve with the key on (engine not running) but not with th
    connector unplugged, then you should check to see if the wiring for th
    valve is rubbed through on the body or engine somewhere, grounding th
    signal wire. Again, I'd be surprised if this were the case, since tha
    should set a code for the purge valve circuit
     
    hyundaitech, Jul 20, 2008
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