synthetic oil for 06 Sonata V-6

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saw somewhere in one of these posts that someone is using Wal-Mart
super-tech synthetic motor oil in his Hyundai. Any idea of who makes the
Wally_world oil and if it is legal for warranty!!??
 
Deck said:
saw somewhere in one of these posts that someone is using Wal-Mart
super-tech synthetic motor oil in his Hyundai. Any idea of who makes the
Wally_world oil and if it is legal for warranty!!??
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My 2005 Hyundai Accent requires oil that meets ILSAC GF-3 or API SJ, SL
or higher.
The Wal-Mart Super-tech full synthetic jug indicates it meets ILSAC GF-4
and GF-3, and also SM/CF, SL, SJ, and SH.
In other words, it exceeds the requirements set by Hyundai.
I don't know who makes it; I've heard it was made by Quaker
State/Pennzoil, but can't confirm that.

John
 
My tech 2000 jug said product of canada..
but the oils even recomended on driving television..
dont know who makes it though, maybye petro can????
 
Deck said:
saw somewhere in one of these posts that someone is using Wal-Mart
super-tech synthetic motor oil in his Hyundai. Any idea of who makes the
Wally_world oil and if it is legal for warranty!!??
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I've used it in my Elantra. It's good oil and of course, like any API
certified oil, it meets or exceeds the warranty requirements. It's
produced my Warren Oil, a large blending/bottling house that produces
oils for major brand names. Oil analysis shows that it's comparable to
brand name synthetics.
 
Brian said:
I've used it in my Elantra. It's good oil and of course, like any API
certified oil, it meets or exceeds the warranty requirements. It's
produced my Warren Oil, a large blending/bottling house that produces
oils for major brand names. Oil analysis shows that it's comparable to
brand name synthetics.
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Wal-Mart Supertech oil filters are junk, see below and other places:
http://www.ntpog.org/reviews/filters/filters.shtml

Maybe the Supertech oil is good, maybe it isn't. Most things at
Wal-Mart are less expensive for a reason, and that reason is that most
of their stuff is junk. Look at tools or most anything else and compare
it to real quality tools, etc. Brand name products should be the same
whether bought at Wally World or elsewhere, but buying generic store
brand stuff is a crap shoot in my opinion. However, it is your car,
Deck, so do what you wish.


Matt
 
you trying to tell me that, after I spend over 20,000 for an automobile, I
shouldn't skimp on oil? What a concept !:)
 
Maybe the Supertech oil is good, maybe it isn't. Most things at
Wal-Mart are less expensive for a reason, and that reason is that most
of their stuff is junk. Look at tools or most anything else and compare
it to real quality tools, etc. Brand name products should be the same
whether bought at Wally World or elsewhere, but buying generic store
brand stuff is a crap shoot in my opinion. However, it is your car,
Deck, so do what you wish.
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Matt, changing the label on a tool or bottle of oil does not magically
change their properties. Wal-Mart can sell brand name products cheaper
because they have mega-buying power, not because their label somehow
degrades the quality. Mobil1 from Wal-Mart is the same quality as Mobil1
from Pep Boys.

The only legitimate question is, what's in the SuperTech bottle? The MSDS
sheet says Pennzoil/Quaker state. Not exactly chopped liver.
 
Jody said:
i guess the name brands have speacial oil wells?
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Well, now that you mention it, the quality of crude oil does vary rather
dramatically depending on where it comes from. However, the real issue
is the additive packages, how well the oil is filtered before packaging,
how clean the oil handling equipment is, how well the QA tests are done
to ensure that every batch is up to snuff, etc. Low cost producers of
many products generally have skimped somewhere along the line. This may
never cause a problem, then again it may.

Personally, I think that there are a few areas with respect to car
maintenance and repair that shouldn't be skimped on. Tires, oil, oil
filters, and brakes for example.


Matt
 
Bob said:
Matt, changing the label on a tool or bottle of oil does not magically
change their properties. Wal-Mart can sell brand name products cheaper
because they have mega-buying power, not because their label somehow
degrades the quality. Mobil1 from Wal-Mart is the same quality as Mobil1
from Pep Boys.
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I never claimed it did and specifically said above that brand name (and
labeled) products should be the same everywhere. If you really believe
that store brand products are exactly the same as brand name products
other than the label, then that is your prerogative. I know for a fact
that many industries sort products by specifications and "bin" them for
sale. The high quality products get sold under a brand name and the
lower quality get sold to folks that rebrand them. This is very common
in the electronics industry for example.

The only legitimate question is, what's in the SuperTech bottle? The MSDS
sheet says Pennzoil/Quaker state. Not exactly chopped liver.
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That is the only legitimate question, I agree. However, the MSDS
doesn't tell you what is in the bottle, it tells you what is supposed to
be in the bottle. Poor QA may well mean that what is in the bottle
isn't exactly what is supposed to be in the bottle. And, yes, I
actually do consider Pennzoil and Quaker State to be the chopped liver
of oil brands. Quaker State is one of the few oil producers that
destroyed a bunch of engines due to poor QA that let bad oil get out of
their factory.


Matt
 
Bob Adkins wrote:
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I never claimed it did and specifically said above that brand name (and
labeled) products should be the same everywhere. If you really believe
that store brand products are exactly the same as brand name products
other than the label, then that is your prerogative.
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I don't think Pennzoil/QS or Shell or any other supplier would create a
blend just for Wal-Mart. That wouldn't make economic sense at all when there
are already excellent blends to choose from. SuperTech oil is simply
re-labeled oil that is identical to some other oil. The question is, which
one? Hint: It's a premium oil that meets all the latest API, SAE, ASTM Etc.
specs.
be in the bottle. Poor QA may well mean that what is in the bottle
isn't exactly what is supposed to be in the bottle. And, yes, I
actually do consider Pennzoil and Quaker State to be the chopped liver
of oil brands. Quaker State is one of the few oil producers that
destroyed a bunch of engines due to poor QA that let bad oil get out of
their factory.
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So, you believe every oil maker except for Pennzoil/QS is immune to QA
problems? Well I've got news for ya! :)

It comes down to trusting a label. I think Wal-Mart has just as much
integrity as the next re-seller of bulk-blended oil. In fact, Wal-Mart's QA
program probably strikes more fear into the oil companies than any other
outlet. After all, Wal-Mart is probably their most important customer.

Matt, we've got to be careful today. A person can praise one brand very
highly and smear another viciously and be embarrassed to find they are
different in name only.

We have huge oil bottlers that specialize in economically bottling oil for
many customers. In order to reduce overhead, I'm sure their inventory
consists of dozens fewer actual formulations than there are brands. And it's
subject to change from time to time.

That brings to mind a neighbor that used to tell me my riding mower was
junk, and his brand was the highest of quality. One day I took a close look
at his mower, and the only difference in the 2 were the paint job. I really
had some fun with that one!

Moral: Research thoroughly (not just old information) before saying one oil
is inferior to another.
 
"Wal-Mart Supertech oil filters are junk, see below and other places:
http://www.ntpog.org/reviews/filters/filters.shtml "

Matt,

I've been using the super tech filters for years without a single
problem. They are made by STP. If you open up the box on a bosch, STP
and a super tech filter you will see that the canister is identical
down to the letter stampings, save for the label on the outside. In
this respect I agree with Mr. Bartsch.

I would question the integrity of information on a website that only
lists one type of filter to avoid, and completely misses the trainwreck
called "Fram". Fram filters made since they were acquired by allied
signal are the ones to avoid. I had one of those blow up on a cold
start one morning. I've never had a super tech leak or fail. One need
look no further than the disclaimer at the top of the page to see that
the information you have posted a link to is meant to be questioned:
"This review contains no SAE or ASTM test data regarding filtration
ability or flow information."


Chris
 
I've been using the super tech filters for years without a single
problem. They are made by STP. If you open up the box on a bosch, STP
and a super tech filter you will see that the canister is identical
down to the letter stampings, save for the label on the outside.
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Chris,

I thought SuperTech filters were made by Champion Labs. Maybe I'm behind the
times, as usual. :(
 
Matt said:
Well, now that you mention it, the quality of crude oil does vary rather
dramatically depending on where it comes from. However, the real issue
is the additive packages, how well the oil is filtered before packaging,
how clean the oil handling equipment is, how well the QA tests are done
to ensure that every batch is up to snuff, etc. Low cost producers of
many products generally have skimped somewhere along the line. This may
never cause a problem, then again it may.

Personally, I think that there are a few areas with respect to car
maintenance and repair that shouldn't be skimped on. Tires, oil, oil
filters, and brakes for example.
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You're making the assumption that using low-priced oil like Supertech is
skimping and that higher priced oil isn't. There is no evidence of that.
I just bought some Pennzoil for less than Supertech. Does that mean I'm
skimping?
 
Matt said:
That is the only legitimate question, I agree. However, the MSDS
doesn't tell you what is in the bottle, it tells you what is supposed to
be in the bottle. Poor QA may well mean that what is in the bottle
isn't exactly what is supposed to be in the bottle.
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So if a problem doesn't exist, you'll just make one up to justify your
position? Give me a break.
And, yes, I
actually do consider Pennzoil and Quaker State to be the chopped liver
of oil brands. Quaker State is one of the few oil producers that
destroyed a bunch of engines due to poor QA that let bad oil get out of
their factory.
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And that happened how long ago? IIRC, that was something like 25 years
ago and the problem was corrected. Have you heard of even ONE quality
issue with modern oils?
 
Bob said:
I don't think Pennzoil/QS or Shell or any other supplier would create a
blend just for Wal-Mart. That wouldn't make economic sense at all when there
are already excellent blends to choose from. SuperTech oil is simply
re-labeled oil that is identical to some other oil. The question is, which
one? Hint: It's a premium oil that meets all the latest API, SAE, ASTM Etc.
specs.
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It makes tons of sense. Wal-Mart is probably one of their largest
customers. If they can save 5 cents a quart by cutting back on the
additive package, that makes loads of economic sense. And it is well
known that Wal-Mart squeezes its suppliers on price like no other
company. Read the business press a little and you'll see they are
legendary for this. And if you think their supplies don't cut corners
to lower their price and keep their business, you don't know much about
business.

So, you believe every oil maker except for Pennzoil/QS is immune to QA
problems? Well I've got news for ya! :)
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Nope, but given a choice between a company that had a documented problem
and one's that haven't, and a company being squeezed on cost by Wal-Mart
and one that isn't, I'll take the latter every time. :-)

It comes down to trusting a label. I think Wal-Mart has just as much
integrity as the next re-seller of bulk-blended oil. In fact, Wal-Mart's QA
program probably strikes more fear into the oil companies than any other
outlet. After all, Wal-Mart is probably their most important customer.
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Ha, ha, ha. Wal-Mart has no incoming QA program. They put EVERYTHING
back on their vendors. Read a little about Wal-Mart's business
practices. It is very enlightening.

Matt, we've got to be careful today. A person can praise one brand very
highly and smear another viciously and be embarrassed to find they are
different in name only.
Click to expand...

Yes, that is always possible.

We have huge oil bottlers that specialize in economically bottling oil for
many customers. In order to reduce overhead, I'm sure their inventory
consists of dozens fewer actual formulations than there are brands. And it's
subject to change from time to time.
Click to expand...

Yes, and they also try to make the lowest common product they can get
away with.

That brings to mind a neighbor that used to tell me my riding mower was
junk, and his brand was the highest of quality. One day I took a close look
at his mower, and the only difference in the 2 were the paint job. I really
had some fun with that one!
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I agree, most cheap lawn mowers are made by just a couple of companys.
That is why I buy John Deere equipment. So far at least, I've gotten
quality products.

Moral: Research thoroughly (not just old information) before saying one oil
is inferior to another.
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I've researched as thoroughly as I can.


Matt
 
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