Dealer bites the dust

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No, I'm only two sniper rounds away from having Nancy Pelosi as my
President!!!! NOW THAT REALLY SCARES THE SHIT OUT OF ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Yeah, scares me too. ALMOST as much as being one heart attack away
from Palin being president.

Bill
 
631grant said:
Well, I guess you have 'shot your wad' if you're down to citing typing
mistakes and making fun of my Parkinson's causing me to hit extra keys.
**** YOU IN THE HEART!!
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steady now, get a grip...
 
I was wondering when you would jump in, Mike. I know about GM with their
claims of all their 30 mpg cars but 30 mpg really doesn't cut it in the
land of $4 a gallon gas, which is where we will end up again. The HHR is a
great little car and we have one in our family but it SHOULD be getting 40
mpg. I just don't believe 30 is the magic number we'll be looking for.
Personal opinion.
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Yeah - I supposed I might be a bit predictable at times. I'm just so tired
of that phrase "gas guzzlers", and it always seems to get thrown out there
for the effect, rather than a valid argument point. I do agree that it
seems we well ought to be able to expect mileage numbers in the 40's now,
without any radical designs. 30's was great for a generation of cars, and I
applaud GM for having lead the pack in producing as many cars as they did,
for as long as they did, that achieved that kind of mileage. But, like you,
I believe it's time to advance on that front. I really like both of the
Sonatas we own (04 and 06), and I have almost nothing but good to say about
them, but the one thing that struck me with each one of them was that the
mileage compared to my GM cars was actually somewhat off. Not so bad as to
make owning either one a bad experience, but it is hard at first to accept a
new car getting a couple/few less miles per gallon that what you owned
before it.
 
As I've said on previous posts (and arguments with you) that when 40-50
mpg is the norm in Europe, to say 30 mpg is good here is calling us a
third world country. Please don't bring up the emissions copout since
Europe is more Green than we are. Hell, my Sedona, just like yours, gets
30+ mpg. For a little car like the HHR or Cobalt to get the same mileage
is sick.
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40-50 isn't really the norm in Europe, is it? I too believe that a car like
the Cobalt should be getting better mileage. It does not seem unreasonable
to me to expect to see upper 30's out of that size car these days - without
going to steps like putting a diesel in it.

That said, my daughter recently replaced an 00 Sunfire with an 05 or 06
Mazda 3. Granted, you don't mention Japanese cars above, but they are
generally touted as being superior to GM in every respect, and certainly in
the mileage department. (Not so, but that's what you hear). Her in city
mileage dropped significantly (an impact to her because she lives in the
city and does a large amount of city driving), and her highway mileage
dropped some. Not as noticeable a drop as the city mileage, but still a
drop.

The HHR is a design nightmare for mileage figures. I can see where that
would struggle to attain the mileage that a more aerodynamic design should
achieve, but its city mileage could be better, I believe.
 
Hey, I just visited the new Chevy website and the Cobalt is being claimed
to get 37 mpg!! Now that is quite an improvement and I stand corrected.
I think Fiat and the Ford Fiesta will both force even more advances in
fuel mileage in the coming years. They might even put enough pressure on
Congress to adopt regulations to allow European diesel technology into the
US and THEN we will truly have oil independence.
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I'm anxious to see more advances in electric, but in self-generating
electric. Diesel generator locomotives have advanced great strides in the
tonnage they can move on a gallon of diesel fuel, and it sure seems that the
technology they employ could be migrated to cars. I'm not at all interested
in seeing any more introductions that require the own to plug the car into
the wall to charge it up.
 
THE DEMOCRATS & REPUBLICANS HAVE YOU RIGHT WHERE THEY WANT YOU! FIGHTING
EACH OTHER SO YOU DON"T SEE THE REAL PROBLEM>THEY DON"T GIVE A ****
ABOUT YOU THEY ARE RICH AND GETTING RICHER WHILE YOU FIGHT AMONG
YOURELVES INSTEAD OF GETTING RID OF BOTH OF THEM>THIS COUNTRY IS
DOOMED>THERE IS NO CONSTITUTION ANY MORE.WE JUST HAD A TOWN USE EMMINENT
DOMAIN TO TAKE PROPERTY FROM ANOTHER TOWN??WATS NEXT>KEEP FIGHTING
ASSHOLES<YOU"RE DOING THE WORK FOR THEM >
 
THE DEMOCRATS & REPUBLICANS HAVE YOU RIGHT WHERE THEY WANT YOU! FIGHTING
EACH OTHER SO YOU DON"T SEE THE REAL PROBLEM>THEY DON"T GIVE A ****
ABOUT YOU THEY ARE RICH AND GETTING RICHER WHILE YOU FIGHT AMONG
YOURELVES INSTEAD OF GETTING RID OF BOTH OF THEM>THIS COUNTRY IS
DOOMED>THERE IS NO CONSTITUTION ANY MORE.WE JUST HAD A TOWN USE EMMINENT
DOMAIN TO TAKE PROPERTY FROM ANOTHER TOWN??WATS NEXT>KEEP FIGHTING
ASSHOLES<YOU"RE DOING THE WORK FOR THEM >
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whew... I FELT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO SHARE THAT BEFORE I DO MYSELF AND
EVERYONE WHO KNOWS ME A FAVOR AND PULL THE TRIGGER. NOW LET'S SEE,
WHICH END OF THE PISTOL GOES AGAINST MY EMPTY CRANIUM?

OH YEAH, I GOT IT NOW..
 
Oh, 50 mpg in Europe is quite normal now, BUT remember that 1/2 of the cars
are diesels! I'm retired now for 3 years but before that I spent TOO much
time in Europe on business and routinely rented MB, Fords, and Peugeots that
always gave me well over 50 mpg with as many as 4 people in them. Most of
the mileage was what I would term suburban driving in town or on the
Autobahn at 100 mph. The cars had surprising acceleration and passing
ability too.
 
I agree, Mike. any care that has to be plugged in is doomed to failure
until an infrastructure is well in place (which, I believe, will never
happen given our present form of government self interests).
One thing that makes the railroads so efficient is the fact that there is
almost no contact area between the wheels and the track reducing friction.
Once the energy is expended to get the mass up to speed, very little is
needed to maintain it. I guess also the NASCAR drafting syndrome plays a
part in moving a long train. Try that on the interstate!!! When I was
young and foolish, I did that on my motorcycle behind trucks. You could
almost close the throttle and be sucked along (while you prayed he didn't
hit the brakes!). Tire technology could take a giant step forward to reduce
rolling resistance too. I saw an ad for a new 'gas saving' tire but when
you do the math, it is more hype than actual help.
 
Welcome to the Obama Economy(?)
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Its the economy left by King Clusterfuck.

--
"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in
England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after
all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it
is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a
democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist
dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to
the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL
THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of
patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY
COUNTRY."
 
--Goering at the Nuremberg Trials
 
The "it isn't my fault, I inherited it" excuse is wearing thin. Obama
has spent more money in this first few months than Bush spent in years.
That is simply a fact.
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The banks are paying back thier loans.

We all know how people like you just hate that.

--
"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in
England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after
all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it
is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a
democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist
dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to
the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL
THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of
patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY
COUNTRY."
 
--Goering at the Nuremberg Trials
 
It's Bush and the Republicans' fault. End of story. Spinning it won't alter
reality. Deregulation failed.
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Throw in a war to scam a pipline, complete with no-bid contracts and no
end strategy.

--
"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in
England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after
all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it
is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a
democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist
dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to
the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL
THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of
patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY
COUNTRY."
 
--Goering at the Nuremberg Trials
 
Funny you'd provide that link which mentions the congressional
Republicans' hand in banking deregulation.
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Yes, them Republickans are always shooting themselves in the foot, when
they are aren't pretending to be Cheney. LOL.
But I was talking about business deregulation in general, because it
isn't just banks that are failing. You've heard about the auto
industry, yes?

I hate to burst your bubble but deregulation began in earnest under
Reagan. It was a Milton Freedman nutjob fantasy and it doesn't work.
Freedman believed the market place is a natural force like wind, air,
and fire and Reagan and you Republicans are too stupid to realize how
stupid that sounds.
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But....Nancy's Astrologer said everthing would be OK!
You guys are so pathetic in your desperate attempts to pin this crisis
on liberals. It's a relief nobody takes you boneheads seriously anymore.
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AMEN! ;-)

--
"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in
England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after
all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it
is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a
democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist
dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to
the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL
THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of
patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY
COUNTRY."
 
--Goering at the Nuremberg Trials
 
After asking Sara Palin?
'In a minute John dear, I'm busy choosing another outfit to wear'.
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Is that kid knocked up AGAIN bu some jackoff loser asshole?

--
"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in
England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after
all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it
is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a
democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist
dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to
the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL
THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of
patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY
COUNTRY."
 
--Goering at the Nuremberg Trials
 
Dear Lazy Assed Top- Poster:

The UAW didn't make the decisons to design and manufacture shit cars.

The UAW didn't piss billions away on bad advertsing.

The UAW didn't buy private jets to fly to Congressional Hearings.

The UAW is not in bed with Saudis like the Bush family is.



When did they deregulate the auto industry???? Chrysler and GM failed
because they had Union labor getting paid way too much for what they
did, they had cars that no one wanted at $4 a gallon for gas, their
executives only cared about their bonuses, which is common today. They
had no clue as to what the public really wanted in this economy. Rick
Wagoneer (sp??) of GM gets on the podium and says the "new" GM would
give the people World Class cars like the Cadillac CTS, the Escalade,
SUV's, and pickup trucks. In an era of no credit, no money, rising gas
prices, this idiot puts the future on gas guzzling cars that no one can
afford to buy or run. He is just as stupid as you, Miles, since you
are calling 'us' stupid.
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--
"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in
England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after
all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it
is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a
democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist
dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to
the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL
THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of
patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY
COUNTRY."
 
--Goering at the Nuremberg Trials
 
Bill said:
Yeah, scares me too. ALMOST as much as being one heart attack away
from Palin being president.
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The difference is that the first scenario is possible and the second is not.
 
631grant said:
As I've said on previous posts (and arguments with you) that when 40-50 mpg
is the norm in Europe, to say 30 mpg is good here is calling us a third
world country. Please don't bring up the emissions copout since Europe is
more Green than we are. Hell, my Sedona, just like yours, gets 30+ mpg.
For a little car like the HHR or Cobalt to get the same mileage is sick.
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What Sedona are you talking about? Certainly not the Kia. I had one
for a rental and it couldn't get 18 MPG.

http://www.mpgfacts.com/?did=806&year=2009
 
631grant said:
Curiously enough, the Cobalt with Auto transmission gets 4 MPG less than the
stick! That is very unusual in today's advanced automatic technology.
Usually the auto trans' are getting the same or maybe one mpg less than
stick, but 4?????
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I believe the XFE has changes other than the transmission. I believe
the engine has been tweaked for fuel economy, it has low rolling
resistance tires (I wonder what those cost to replace?), etc., that I
don't believe are on the auto tranny version.

Matt
 
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