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127.0.0.1
because society has to pay for the after effects of non usage of the
seat belt
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John G
Steve B. said:me.
I don't understand why anyone, other than their family, cares if they
are wearing a seatbelt. I think it is stupid to be in a car without a
seatbelt on but it is your body and your life. Why do I get to decide
that you have to wear a seatbelt?
Steve B.
I do not care if you do not wear a seatbelt in your car because Darwin
will eventually get you.
But in MY car anyone and everyone will wear their seatbelt because the
unrestrained could fly about the car damageing the careful ones.
PS All My cars have had seat bealts since about 1964.
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Chas Hurst
127.0.0.1 said:because society has to pay for the after effects of non usage of the
seat belt
Society doesn't "have" to pay. Not wearing a seatbelt is an unhealthy
lifestyle; so is over eating. Both are a personal choice. Will obesity be
outlawed?
Pennsylvania just repealed it's motorcycle helmet law but has a seat belt
law-go figure.
Chas Hurst
"I don't need to wear a seatbelt Officer; I smoke too much".
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Daniel J. Stern
because society has to pay for the after effects of non usage of the
seat belt
Wrong answer. It doesn't take a very long trip down the road you just
named before we require everyone to be vegetarians, outlaw alcohol and
tobacco, outlaw driving entirely, outlaw bicycling and *certainly* outlaw
motorcycles, etc. Those who do not wish to pay freedom's costs should
choose to live somewhere they're not obligated to do so. China comes to
mind.
Here is the right answer to the question of why your seatbelt non-use is
my business:
A driver who is belted in stays conscious and in the correct position to
remain in control of his vehicle in the event of an emergency. That makes
him much, much less likely to hit another vehicle(s) and/or a
pedestrian(s).
A driver who is *not* belted in, if he is not knocked unconscious, if he
is not knocked clear out of control position, must exert considerable
muscular effort to stay in the driver's seat. As a result, his ability to
remain in control of his car is seriously compromised, making it much,
much more likely that he'll hit another vehicle(s) and/or a pedestrian(s).
Simple physics and physiology, nothing more and nothing less.
It's pathetic that anybody's dumb enough to think mandatory seatbelt use
laws, per se, constitute a bitchable restriction of freedom.
DS
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Daniel J. Stern
I don't understand why anyone, other than their family, cares if they
are wearing a seatbelt. I think it is stupid to be in a car without a
seatbelt on but it is your body and your life. Why do I get to decide
that you have to wear a seatbelt?
The decision doesn't just affect yourself. It affects all the motorists
and pedestrians with whom you share the road and environs. And no, I'm
fixing to make neither the fallacious "insurance" argument nor the
farfetched "fly through the windshield and land on top of me" argument.
A driver who is belted in stays conscious and in the correct position to
remain in control of his vehicle in the event of an emergency. That makes
him much, much less likely to hit another vehicle(s) and/or a
pedestrian(s).
A driver who is *not* belted in, if he is not knocked unconscious, if he
is not knocked clear out of control position, must exert considerable
muscular effort to stay in the driver's seat. As a result, his ability to
remain in control of his car is seriously compromised, making it much,
much more likely that he'll hit another vehicle(s) and/or a pedestrian(s).
It's simple physics and physiology, nothing more and nothing less.
And that's why.
DS
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Rod Speed
Society doesn't "have" to pay.
Corse it does, even if that's just the official report on the corpse.
Not wearing a seatbelt is an unhealthy lifestyle;
so is over eating. Both are a personal choice.
One is much more immediate and policeable than the other.
Will obesity be outlawed?
Not feasible. It is feasible to have seatbelt laws.
Pennsylvania just repealed it's motorcycle
helmet law but has a seat belt law-go figure.
Nothing to 'figure', just the usual terminal political stupidity.
Utterly rampant in america.
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Steve B.
A driver who is belted in stays conscious and in the correct position to
remain in control of his vehicle in the event of an emergency. That makes
him much, much less likely to hit another vehicle(s) and/or a
pedestrian(s).
Except that the air bag had deployed leaving the driver dazed and a
huge bag hanging from the steering wheel.
Steve B.
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Steve B.
because society has to pay for the after effects of non usage of the
seat belt
And society has to pay for that cheeseburger you had for lunch today
so I have decided that you don't get to have any animal products
anymore for the good of socieity. Fruit might be bad for you too so
you only get to have green beans for the rest of your life and have to
walk around inside a giat rubber ball to keep you safe.
I agree that everyone should wear seatbelts and nobody in my car would
not have them.. It just bothers me that freedoms are being taken away
in this country and nobody seems to care.
Steve B.
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Chas Hurst
Rod Speed said:Corse it does, even if that's just the official report on the corpse.
Nope, society pays only when willing.
One is much more immediate and policeable than the other.
So you favor a police state?
Not feasible. It is feasible to have seatbelt laws.
There are thousands of non-feasible laws.
Nothing to 'figure', just the usual terminal political stupidity.
Utterly rampant in america.
Aha, we finally get to America bashing.
**** You Very Much.
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127.0.0.1
Society doesn't "have" to pay.
when you have to give an injured driver disability payments, rehab
treatment and medical if he's underinsured, we all wind up paying
Pennsylvania just repealed it's motorcycle helmet law but has a seat belt
law-go figure.
and they should make helmetless riders sign a waiver that if involved
in accident they are ineligible for state paid care or benefits
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127.0.0.1
not so, society doesn't pay one cent for anything that I doAnd society has to pay for that cheeseburger you had for lunch today
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Don Klipstein
Except that the air bag had deployed leaving the driver dazed and a
huge bag hanging from the steering wheel.
Not all emergencies that would dangerously shift a driver from the
driver's seat would deploy the airbag. Some side impacts come to my mind
as able to move a driver from the driver's seat enough to affect
control after the initial impact while not deploying the airbag.
Certainly much more likely than anything where an airbag causes a
seatbelt to be harmful.
BTW - airbags are safer for seatbelt wearers than for
non-seatbelt-wearers.
- Don Klipstein ([email protected])
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Atom1
Nanny State
Michelle
Italy
Michelle
Italy
Steve B. said:And society has to pay for that cheeseburger you had for lunch today
so I have decided that you don't get to have any animal products
anymore for the good of socieity. Fruit might be bad for you too so
you only get to have green beans for the rest of your life and have to
walk around inside a giat rubber ball to keep you safe.
I agree that everyone should wear seatbelts and nobody in my car would
not have them.. It just bothers me that freedoms are being taken away
in this country and nobody seems to care.
Steve B.
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Chas Hurst
127.0.0.1 said:when you have to give an injured driver disability payments, rehab
treatment and medical if he's underinsured, we all wind up paying
And a person that's overweight and uninsured is the same burden and more
prolific.
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bearclaw
Steve B. said:I don't understand why anyone, other than their family, cares if they
are wearing a seatbelt.
Nobody does.
I think it is stupid to be in a car without a seatbelt on but it is
your body and your life.
Okay, well, that's a start.
Why do I get to decide that you have to wear a seatbelt?
YOU don't. Neither do I.
Moreover, you don't have to wear a seatbelt. Drive on your own roads,
and nobody can say boo. Anyone should feel free to be as stupid as they
want, disregarding any and all common sense, accumulated wisdom and
genetic memory. People do this all the time.
However, if you or I or anyone else, no matter how stupid, drives upon
the public roadways which are built and maintained with public monies,
then you got to follow the rules. 'Cause you don't own those roads all
to yourself. One of those rules is "WEAR YOUR SEATBELT". It's a rule
because it's been shown over and over to make the public roadways safer
for everyone to use. Even so, you don't have to follow the rules if you
don't mind risking the potential consequential penalty--ranging from a
ticket to your own maiming to death.
When I was in Seattle in the ninties, I got to talking to an airport cop
during a slow period at SeaTac. He told me that many drivers
knowingly--and surprisingly cheerfully--chose get a parking ticket
because it only cost them $25 and the amount of time they would spend
looking for a legal space plus paying for the space, combined with the
time they would spend walking to and from the legal space would be more
costly and less convenient than just paying the ticket.
Shoot, look at all the "drivers" (using the term loosely) who quite
murderously ignore speed limits on residential and other surface
streets. Look at all the people who die when they are ejected from their
vehicle because they weren't strapped in. Look at all the people who
drive on the wrong side of the road--just to PARK, for God's sake--or
who run red lights or stop signs, cut in front of oncoming traffic, or
swerve across three lanes of traffic to make their exit or turn...just
so they don't have to turn around.
There's a LOT of them out there on the road. No doubt their behavior
adds considerable weight to justify seatbelt laws.
See, the rules are pretty clear for people like you who don't understand
"why" rules exist but follow them anyway. Unfortunately, it's just as
easy for people who, whether or not they understand "why", choose to
ignore the rules anyway. And then we all wind up paying.
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Rod Speed
Chas Hurst said:Nope, society pays only when willing.
Nope.
So you favor a police state?
Nope.
There are thousands of non-feasible laws.
Pathetic, really.
Aha, we finally get to America bashing.
**** You Very Much.
Any 3 year old could do better than that pathetic effort, child.
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Prefered Customer
Dave C. said:You are warping your front end brake rotors. That is something that
normally wouldn't be covered under any kind of manufacturer warranty. Brake
pads/rotors are usually considered consumable items, kind of like tires and
air filters.
It ought to be cuz the rotors are just not thick enough. Dave, why do
you say HE is warping his brake rotors. Isn't it just possible that
the rotors aren't up to the service. With 30,000 miles on my XG300L,
I've had the rotors turned under warranty and the front pads are about
2/3rds gone. Are you going to tell me that I'm warping my rotors. I
modulate the brakes, haven't had any panic stops and am generally
quite easy on the car; on the way to Houston, I seldom get above 90.
It's possible, I think, that a design issue is involved and rotors are
a lot more important than horsepower rating!
Fred, W8OY
[email protected]
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SoCalMike
Society doesn't "have" to pay. Not wearing a seatbelt is an unhealthy
lifestyle; so is over eating. Both are a personal choice. Will obesity be
outlawed?
since they both affect my insurance rates? sure.
from now on, people who dont wear seatbelts cant get car insurance, and
the morbidly obese wont be allowed health insurance.
so it is written, so it is done...
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SoCalMike
i just called all the county hospitals in LA, and told them to stop care
and immediately discharge any indigent patients they have that were in
an auto accident without a seatbelt.
they said theyll get back to me on that one.
and immediately discharge any indigent patients they have that were in
an auto accident without a seatbelt.
they said theyll get back to me on that one.
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SoCalMike
Wrong answer. It doesn't take a very long trip down the road you just
named before we require everyone to be vegetarians, outlaw alcohol and
tobacco, outlaw driving entirely, outlaw bicycling and *certainly* outlaw
motorcycles, etc.
but we get to keep BASE jumping, sky diving, and recreational crack
smoking. fair nuff.