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John
REPUBLICAN
mikltaz said:
M
Miles
Nikoli said:
Under Bush Sr. budget increases averaged 4% per year. Under Clinton
they averaged 8%.
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`F.H
mikltaz said:
This is laughable. History shows that someone *always* winds up
regulating. Supply side just dictates it won't be the consumer. [see
Enron].
F.H.
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dale_peterson
Miles said:
That's right the Shrubs give the money away through tax breaks for the rich
and famous !!
Dale P...........
M
Miles
`F.H said:
History shows that high consumption combined with restricted supply
equates to high prices. Government regulations that restrict entry into
a market results in restricted supply and equally as critical the
competition. As long as consumers demand and the Gov. restricts entry
the prices are gonna be high. Regulating prices may appear to the naive
to be benificial to the consumer when the real problem is the
regulations placed on entering the market in the first place thus
limiting competition.
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`F.H
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Since there's no statute of limitations on the deeds of our least
favorite politicians and their families let's take a closer look at the
Bush clan. It's all a matter of recorded history.
Have you ever wondered how Adolf Hitler, a destitute artist who lived in
flophouses, was able to become Germany's preeminent Furher-god in the
1930's and 1940's? I mean, how many near-homeless people are you aware
of that have had such good fortune befall them?
The Nazi phenomenon was not accidental. Wall Street bankers (among
others) were the hidden financiers behind their meteoric rise to power.
Our current President's family were among those who bankrolled and
profited enormously from the German War Machine.
Authors Webster G. Tarpley and Anton Chaitkin, in "George Bush:The
Unauthorized Biography," sum up the situation as such:
"By deciding that Prescott Bush [George W. Bush's grandfather] and the
other directors of the Union Banking Company were legally Front Men For
The Nazis, the government avoided the more important historical issue:
In what way were Hitler's Nazis themselves hired, armed and instructed
by the New York and London cliques of which Prescott Bush was an
executive manager?" What you are about to read is not new information.
It is readily available from a wide variety of sources.
Dutch Intelligence and U.S.Government files 'confirm absolutely' a
direct link between Prescott Bush, the Thyssen Family, and profits
derived from our second world war.
They derived this blood-money via the Union Banking Corporation (UBC),
where Prescott Bush and his father-in-law George Herbert Walker joined
forces with German manufacturer Fritz Thyssen and bankrolled Adolf
Hitler prior to, and during, WWII.
Now, even though plenty of other companies helped the Nazis (like the
Rockefeller's Standard Oil and Chase Bank, plus prominent American auto
makers), Prescott Bush's interests were much deeper and sinister.
Not only was there a monetary link, but also business ties that were
much more involved. A good portion of the Bush Family's financial
foundation was established through their assistance to Adolf Hitler. Can
you feel the ramifications of this statement?
The current President of the United States, plus his father (an
ex-President, V.P., and CIA Director) rose to the top of the American
political ladder because their grandfather and in-laws aided and abetted
the Nazis.
Naturally, some may not believe that the Bush Family directly assisted
the Germans, in essence committing treason against their own country.
Sad but true. To prove it, let's start at the beginning.
In 1922, W. Averill Harriman, the infamous railroad magnate, traveled to
Berlin where he met with members of the Thyssen Family toset-up a branch
bank. And who became the President of this bank? George Herbert Walker,
Prescott Bush's father-in-law. Two years later, in 1924, the Union
Banking Corporation (UBC) was created to join forces with Fritz
Thyssen's "Bank voor Handel en Scheepvaart." And who was appointed to
directly manage UBC? Prescott Bush. Even better for Prescott was the
fact that George Herbert Walker game him a tremendous break in 1926 by
making him vice president and managing partner in Brown Brothers
Harriman.
And who did Prescott bring along with him to this firm? A handful of
his Yale classmates from Skull & Bones. Prescott Bush was only one of
seven shareholders in UBC. At this point you're probably thinking,
what's the big deal? Nothing seems out-of-the-ordinary. This is nothing
more than business as usual. But appearances can be deceiving. At the
end of the Roaring Twenties, something happened that, when viewed in the
context of Prescott Bush, puts everything in perspective. Authors
Tarpley and Chaitkin once again in "George Bush: The Unauthorized
Biography":
"The great financial collapse of 1929-1931 shook America, Germany and
Britain, weakening all governments. It also made the hard-pressed
Prescott Bush even more willing to do whatever was necessary to retain
his new place in the world. It was in this crisis that certain
Anglo-Americans determined on the installation of a Hitler regime in
Germany."
And who would be one of the key figures to initiate the change of the
guard in Germany? The Bush Family's business partner FritzThyssen.
Fritz Thyssen was the first man to get the newly-formed Nazi Party off
the ground by giving them $25,000 in the mid-1920's. In 1931, he joined
the Nazi Party, and soon became close friends with Adolf Hitler. Over
the years, Thyssen came to be known as "Hitler's most important and
prominent financier" and became one of the primary figures in his rise
to power.
Thyssen was fascinated by Hitler, as he boasted, "I realized his orator
gifts and his ability to lead the masses. What impressed me most,
however, was the order that reigned over his meetings, the almost
military discipline of his followers. "
By September, 1932, Thyssen invited a cadre of German manufacturers to
meet with Hitler, and all walked away overjoyed after he answered each
question to their 'utmost satisfaction.' Thyssen was so overt in his
praise and support that he even wrote a book entitled," I Paid Hitler"
where he comes clean about the role he played in Nazism since October,
1923. Fritz Thyssen was also influential in establishing the "German
Steel Trust" which was founded in 1926 by Wall Street high-roller
Clarence Dillon. And who was one of Dillon's cohorts on this project?
Prescott Bush's father, Sam Bush.
Thus, Fritz Thyssen became one of the men at the core of Germany's War
Machine due to his position at German Steel. His family also owned a
slew of banks (on the sly, of course) that allowed the Thyssens to move
their money from Berlin to Holland to New York City. That way, after
World War II came to a close, they didn't have to surrender their
profits!
The Thyssen Family established three highly important banks during the
1920's:
1) August Thyssen Bank - Berlin
2) Bank voor Handel en Scheepvaart - Holland
3) Union Banking Corporation (UBC) - New York City
Now we're starting to get somewhere. Why? Because the Thyssens received
their initial financing from two places to start their War Machine
operations: Brown Brothers Harriman, and UBC. And who were key figures
at both of these places? George Herbert Walker and Prescott Bush.
Thus, UBC was set-up to transfer funds between Manhattan and Germany via
Thyssen's Dutch banks. The Thyssen's got assistance in this endeavor
from the Dutch Royal Family, who cooperated to hide their accounts in a
variety of Dutch banks. This point is significant, for the chief
perpetrator was Prince Bernhard. And what did he go onto create? The
infamous Bilderberg group during the 1950s. UBC, then, became a secret
pipeline for Nazi money as it went from Germany to Holland to the USA.
And when they needed to replenish their supplies, Brown Brothers
Harriman shipped their funds right back to Germany.
Are you starting to see how this operation worked? UBC received the
money from Holland, and Brown Brothers Harriman sent it back out. And
who was on the Board of Directors of both companies? Prescott Bush! He
was the Nazi's primary money launderer! Their practices became so
blatant and injurious to Americans that on October 10, 1942 the U.S.
Government ordered the seizure of all Nazi Germany banking operations in
New York City that were being conducted by Prescott Bush. UBC, with Bush
as its director, was charged under the "Trading with the Enemy Act" and
all their stockswere seized.
And do you remember who I said owned all these stocks? There were only
seven people. Prescott Bush, three Nazi financiers, and three
Americans. But the crackdown didn't end there; not by a long-shot. On
October 26, 1942, the government ordered seizures of two other front
companies that were run by Prescott Bush for the Harriman Banking:
(1) Holland-America Trading Corporation
(2) Seamless Steel Equipment Corporation.
Then, on November 11, 1942, yet another company managed by Prescott Bush
and George Herbert Walker was seized under the "Trading with the Enemy
Act" - Silesian-American Corporation. "It's bad enough that the Bush
Family helped raise the money for Thyssen to give Hitler his start in
the1920's, but giving aid and comfort to the enemy in time of war is
treason.
The Bush bank helped the Thyssens make the Nazi steel that killed Allied
soldiers."Tarpley and Chaitkin, in "George Bush: The Unauthorized
Biography," said it even more succinctly: "The President's family
fortune was largely a result of the Hitler Project."
The Union BankingCorporation, which Prescott Bush ran, in unison with
Fritz Thyssen's German Steel Trust, produced the following percentages
of the Nazi WarMachine:
50.8% pig iron
41.4% universal plate
36% heavy plate
38.5% galvanized steel
45.5% pipes and tubes
22.1% wire
35% explosives
All the above materials are needed to build tanks, fighterplanes, guns
and bombs - roughly 1/3 of the entire German War Machine - all of it
bankrolled by not only an outward Nazi in FritzThyssen, but also the
Bush Family as well. If you're not disgusted enough already, let's jump
forward a few years. The war ends in 1945, and Fritz Thyssen
subsequently dies in 1951. Upon his death, the remaining shareholders at
UBC liquidated their stock (these were the same assets frozen byour
government under the "U.S. Alien Property Custodian Act" in 1942 and not
given back until 1951).
And one of the beneficiaries was Prescott Bush. How much?
$1.5million. Prescott Bush's cohorts (the same Wall Street bunch that
financed Hitler) are also the same ones that (over time) made GeorgeBush
Sr. CIA Director in the 1970's and put him and his son into the White
House! Now do you see why Dan Rather and the New York Times aren't
giving you this information?
To confirm the above details, new information surfaced in 1996 that came
from three different sources:
a) Dutch journalist Eddy Roever
b) U.S. Freedom of Information Act S.S. files
c) Alien Property Custodian Archives. The information derived from these
sources paints an even nastier picture of the situation. It seems that
UBC in New York City was owned by the Thyssens.
Thus, the Bush Family's primary banking facility was owned by, and their
boss was, one of the most notorious behind-the-scenes Nazis of all-time!
The big question at this point is, was Prescott Bush aware of his Nazi
links and business dealings?
Considering all the information brought out in this article, I'd have to
say that as DIRECTOR of UBC, it was his ultimate responsibility to
oversee every investment, including who they were made to and where they
went. Another interesting note is that the Rockefeller Family also
invested heavily in the Nazi War Machine.
As it turns out, UBC was anessential element for the laundering of dirty
money that was derivedfrom the Rockefeller's investments in Germany
during the war. This scenario becomes even more interesting when we find
that theRockefeller's bank - Chase Manhattan - wound up with 31%
ownership ofthe Thyssen Group after WWII! This point is very important
for TBC (the Thyssen Group) is the largest industry in Germany today,
worth $50 billion. They're so huge that they even bought out the Krupp
Family, who were infamous weapons suppliers for the Nazis.
In essence, they are one of the richest companies in the world, and
where did their start-up money come from? The Nazis! What we have then
are links to the three major secret trade organizations in the world.
Prince Bernhard, who founded the Bilderbergs, enabled the Thyssen Family
to launder their money through Holland, while the Rockefellers bought
nearly 1/3 controlling interest of Thyssen (David Rockefeller founded
the Trilateral Commission).
And finally, Brown Brothers Harriman and UBC, through which Nazi money
was funneled into America, was largely formed by Yale's Skull & Bones
members, all of whom were instrumental in forming the Council on Foreign
Relations (CFR). Are you beginning to see how all of these organizations
are interconnected like the giant tentacles of an evil octopus?
We've discussed here how the Bush Family fortune was mounted on the back
of Naziblood-money.
The Bush Family has also enjoyed business relations with the bin Laden
family for the past thirty years, and belonged to the Carlyle Group.
Knowing this, what type of loyalties and decisions do you think George
W. Bush will make - those that benefit everyday American citizens, or?
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`F.H
Miles said:
There's theory, theory, and more theory. Then there's human nature,
greed, lust for power, history.
L
Lee Borgea
....and the relevance to Jaguar cars is ?
Isn't there a 'gasrant' forum somewhere for this nonsense ?
Isn't there a 'gasrant' forum somewhere for this nonsense ?
`F.H said:
M
Miles
`F.H said:
Sounds like the 'ol liberal concept that anyone who lives the american
dream and becomes wealthy is greedy, power hungry, corrupt etc. Lets
just punish them and tax the heck out of them. Thats human nature...the
liberal way.
M
Miles
Lee said:
Use your killfile. Attempts for anyone other than a NG's official
moderator (if there is one for said NG) is futile.
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Fletis Humplebacker
dale_peterson said:
A tax break for everyone translates to a tax cut for the wealthy
to the liberal mind. It's especially funny when a rich liberal says
it but takes it anyway.
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Fletis Humplebacker
John said:
I hear Fidel is welcoming any immigrant that has experience
manipulating a tobacco rolling machine if the press here is to
conservative for ya.
T
The Steven
I hear Fidel is welcoming any immigrant that has experience
I remember way back when, the popular phrase was "If you don't like it here,
move to Russia"
Why is it with you a mater of "either us or them" how about just fixing the
problem?
George II wants the people on the other side of the aisle to come over and
"meet in the middle"?
So what is he doing to meet the others in the middle? Not much that I can
see.
I remember way back when, the popular phrase was "If you don't like it here,
move to Russia"
Why is it with you a mater of "either us or them" how about just fixing the
problem?
George II wants the people on the other side of the aisle to come over and
"meet in the middle"?
So what is he doing to meet the others in the middle? Not much that I can
see.
R
RSCamaro
I hear the Fidel made honorable mention on Forbes list as one of the
richest men in the world. Something along the lines of $110 million
in his bank account. Just thought for food or vice versa.
http://www.forbes.com/2003/02/24/cz_royalslide_8.html?thisSpeed=6000
"Cuba's 76-year-old revolutionary doesn't advertise his opulent life.
In public, at least, he dons fatigues and black combat boots. But he
can afford better. We estimate that Castro has at least $110 million
(roughly 10% of Cuba's GDP) at his disposal."
http://www.forbes.com/2003/02/24/cz_royalslide_8.html?thisSpeed=6000
...Ron
M
miles
The said:
Oh please. Has the left moved to the middle? Kerry a moderate? Ya,
right. Bush is anything but a conservative.
J
Jon A.
That's because he's from Texas, where their idea of a compromise is
you admitting you're wrong and they granting forgiveness.
T
The Steven
That's because he's from Texas, where their idea of a compromise is
Exactly my point.
Exactly my point.
J
Jacob Suter
Jon said:
That yankee is most definetly not from Texas. Its worth maintaining a
pasture of west waco scrub to avoid paying state level income tax...
His dad did the same thing... Maintained a Hotel room in Houston til he
was clowned about it in the press, when he decided to buy (build?) a
house in Houston, which is supposedly uninhabited...
The only good Bush is Barbara... Damn shame she had to marry a bozo
JS
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Hagrinas Mivali
miles said:
Yes, Kerry is a moderate. And this thread is on topic and about cars.
N
NobodyMan
Bush is not from Texas. He is from Conneticut. He was Govenor of
Texas, but he is not "from" Texas.