Why aren't gas prices dropping?

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Gordo, Jun 27, 2003.

  1. Gordo

    John Guest

    REPUBLICAN


     
    John, Sep 1, 2003
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  2. Gordo

    Miles Guest

    Under Bush Sr. budget increases averaged 4% per year. Under Clinton
    they averaged 8%.
     
    Miles, Sep 1, 2003
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  3. Gordo

    `F.H Guest

    This is laughable. History shows that someone *always* winds up
    regulating. Supply side just dictates it won't be the consumer. [see
    Enron].

    F.H.
     
    `F.H, Sep 2, 2003
    #43

  4. That's right the Shrubs give the money away through tax breaks for the rich
    and famous !!

    Dale P...........
     
    dale_peterson, Sep 2, 2003
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  5. Gordo

    Miles Guest

    History shows that high consumption combined with restricted supply
    equates to high prices. Government regulations that restrict entry into
    a market results in restricted supply and equally as critical the
    competition. As long as consumers demand and the Gov. restricts entry
    the prices are gonna be high. Regulating prices may appear to the naive
    to be benificial to the consumer when the real problem is the
    regulations placed on entering the market in the first place thus
    limiting competition.
     
    Miles, Sep 2, 2003
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  6. Gordo

    `F.H Guest

    snip for space////////////

    Since there's no statute of limitations on the deeds of our least
    favorite politicians and their families let's take a closer look at the
    Bush clan. It's all a matter of recorded history.

    Have you ever wondered how Adolf Hitler, a destitute artist who lived in
    flophouses, was able to become Germany's preeminent Furher-god in the
    1930's and 1940's? I mean, how many near-homeless people are you aware
    of that have had such good fortune befall them?

    The Nazi phenomenon was not accidental. Wall Street bankers (among
    others) were the hidden financiers behind their meteoric rise to power.
    Our current President's family were among those who bankrolled and
    profited enormously from the German War Machine.

    Authors Webster G. Tarpley and Anton Chaitkin, in "George Bush:The
    Unauthorized Biography," sum up the situation as such:

    "By deciding that Prescott Bush [George W. Bush's grandfather] and the
    other directors of the Union Banking Company were legally Front Men For
    The Nazis, the government avoided the more important historical issue:

    In what way were Hitler's Nazis themselves hired, armed and instructed
    by the New York and London cliques of which Prescott Bush was an
    executive manager?" What you are about to read is not new information.
    It is readily available from a wide variety of sources.

    Dutch Intelligence and U.S.Government files 'confirm absolutely' a
    direct link between Prescott Bush, the Thyssen Family, and profits
    derived from our second world war.

    They derived this blood-money via the Union Banking Corporation (UBC),
    where Prescott Bush and his father-in-law George Herbert Walker joined
    forces with German manufacturer Fritz Thyssen and bankrolled Adolf
    Hitler prior to, and during, WWII.

    Now, even though plenty of other companies helped the Nazis (like the
    Rockefeller's Standard Oil and Chase Bank, plus prominent American auto
    makers), Prescott Bush's interests were much deeper and sinister.

    Not only was there a monetary link, but also business ties that were
    much more involved. A good portion of the Bush Family's financial
    foundation was established through their assistance to Adolf Hitler. Can
    you feel the ramifications of this statement?

    The current President of the United States, plus his father (an
    ex-President, V.P., and CIA Director) rose to the top of the American
    political ladder because their grandfather and in-laws aided and abetted
    the Nazis.
    Naturally, some may not believe that the Bush Family directly assisted
    the Germans, in essence committing treason against their own country.
    Sad but true. To prove it, let's start at the beginning.

    In 1922, W. Averill Harriman, the infamous railroad magnate, traveled to
    Berlin where he met with members of the Thyssen Family toset-up a branch
    bank. And who became the President of this bank? George Herbert Walker,
    Prescott Bush's father-in-law. Two years later, in 1924, the Union
    Banking Corporation (UBC) was created to join forces with Fritz
    Thyssen's "Bank voor Handel en Scheepvaart." And who was appointed to
    directly manage UBC? Prescott Bush. Even better for Prescott was the
    fact that George Herbert Walker game him a tremendous break in 1926 by
    making him vice president and managing partner in Brown Brothers
    Harriman.

    And who did Prescott bring along with him to this firm? A handful of
    his Yale classmates from Skull & Bones. Prescott Bush was only one of
    seven shareholders in UBC. At this point you're probably thinking,
    what's the big deal? Nothing seems out-of-the-ordinary. This is nothing
    more than business as usual. But appearances can be deceiving. At the
    end of the Roaring Twenties, something happened that, when viewed in the
    context of Prescott Bush, puts everything in perspective. Authors
    Tarpley and Chaitkin once again in "George Bush: The Unauthorized
    Biography":

    "The great financial collapse of 1929-1931 shook America, Germany and
    Britain, weakening all governments. It also made the hard-pressed
    Prescott Bush even more willing to do whatever was necessary to retain
    his new place in the world. It was in this crisis that certain
    Anglo-Americans determined on the installation of a Hitler regime in
    Germany."

    And who would be one of the key figures to initiate the change of the
    guard in Germany? The Bush Family's business partner FritzThyssen.
    Fritz Thyssen was the first man to get the newly-formed Nazi Party off
    the ground by giving them $25,000 in the mid-1920's. In 1931, he joined
    the Nazi Party, and soon became close friends with Adolf Hitler. Over
    the years, Thyssen came to be known as "Hitler's most important and
    prominent financier" and became one of the primary figures in his rise
    to power.

    Thyssen was fascinated by Hitler, as he boasted, "I realized his orator
    gifts and his ability to lead the masses. What impressed me most,
    however, was the order that reigned over his meetings, the almost
    military discipline of his followers. "

    By September, 1932, Thyssen invited a cadre of German manufacturers to
    meet with Hitler, and all walked away overjoyed after he answered each
    question to their 'utmost satisfaction.' Thyssen was so overt in his
    praise and support that he even wrote a book entitled," I Paid Hitler"
    where he comes clean about the role he played in Nazism since October,
    1923. Fritz Thyssen was also influential in establishing the "German
    Steel Trust" which was founded in 1926 by Wall Street high-roller
    Clarence Dillon. And who was one of Dillon's cohorts on this project?
    Prescott Bush's father, Sam Bush.

    Thus, Fritz Thyssen became one of the men at the core of Germany's War
    Machine due to his position at German Steel. His family also owned a
    slew of banks (on the sly, of course) that allowed the Thyssens to move
    their money from Berlin to Holland to New York City. That way, after
    World War II came to a close, they didn't have to surrender their
    profits!

    The Thyssen Family established three highly important banks during the
    1920's:

    1) August Thyssen Bank - Berlin
    2) Bank voor Handel en Scheepvaart - Holland
    3) Union Banking Corporation (UBC) - New York City

    Now we're starting to get somewhere. Why? Because the Thyssens received
    their initial financing from two places to start their War Machine
    operations: Brown Brothers Harriman, and UBC. And who were key figures
    at both of these places? George Herbert Walker and Prescott Bush.

    Thus, UBC was set-up to transfer funds between Manhattan and Germany via
    Thyssen's Dutch banks. The Thyssen's got assistance in this endeavor
    from the Dutch Royal Family, who cooperated to hide their accounts in a
    variety of Dutch banks. This point is significant, for the chief
    perpetrator was Prince Bernhard. And what did he go onto create? The
    infamous Bilderberg group during the 1950s. UBC, then, became a secret
    pipeline for Nazi money as it went from Germany to Holland to the USA.
    And when they needed to replenish their supplies, Brown Brothers
    Harriman shipped their funds right back to Germany.

    Are you starting to see how this operation worked? UBC received the
    money from Holland, and Brown Brothers Harriman sent it back out. And
    who was on the Board of Directors of both companies? Prescott Bush! He
    was the Nazi's primary money launderer! Their practices became so
    blatant and injurious to Americans that on October 10, 1942 the U.S.
    Government ordered the seizure of all Nazi Germany banking operations in
    New York City that were being conducted by Prescott Bush. UBC, with Bush
    as its director, was charged under the "Trading with the Enemy Act" and
    all their stockswere seized.

    And do you remember who I said owned all these stocks? There were only
    seven people. Prescott Bush, three Nazi financiers, and three
    Americans. But the crackdown didn't end there; not by a long-shot. On
    October 26, 1942, the government ordered seizures of two other front
    companies that were run by Prescott Bush for the Harriman Banking:

    (1) Holland-America Trading Corporation
    (2) Seamless Steel Equipment Corporation.

    Then, on November 11, 1942, yet another company managed by Prescott Bush
    and George Herbert Walker was seized under the "Trading with the Enemy
    Act" - Silesian-American Corporation. "It's bad enough that the Bush
    Family helped raise the money for Thyssen to give Hitler his start in
    the1920's, but giving aid and comfort to the enemy in time of war is
    treason.

    The Bush bank helped the Thyssens make the Nazi steel that killed Allied
    soldiers."Tarpley and Chaitkin, in "George Bush: The Unauthorized
    Biography," said it even more succinctly: "The President's family
    fortune was largely a result of the Hitler Project."

    The Union BankingCorporation, which Prescott Bush ran, in unison with
    Fritz Thyssen's German Steel Trust, produced the following percentages
    of the Nazi WarMachine:

    50.8% pig iron
    41.4% universal plate
    36% heavy plate
    38.5% galvanized steel
    45.5% pipes and tubes
    22.1% wire
    35% explosives

    All the above materials are needed to build tanks, fighterplanes, guns
    and bombs - roughly 1/3 of the entire German War Machine - all of it
    bankrolled by not only an outward Nazi in FritzThyssen, but also the
    Bush Family as well. If you're not disgusted enough already, let's jump
    forward a few years. The war ends in 1945, and Fritz Thyssen
    subsequently dies in 1951. Upon his death, the remaining shareholders at
    UBC liquidated their stock (these were the same assets frozen byour
    government under the "U.S. Alien Property Custodian Act" in 1942 and not
    given back until 1951).

    And one of the beneficiaries was Prescott Bush. How much?
    $1.5million. Prescott Bush's cohorts (the same Wall Street bunch that
    financed Hitler) are also the same ones that (over time) made GeorgeBush
    Sr. CIA Director in the 1970's and put him and his son into the White
    House! Now do you see why Dan Rather and the New York Times aren't
    giving you this information?

    To confirm the above details, new information surfaced in 1996 that came
    from three different sources:
    a) Dutch journalist Eddy Roever
    b) U.S. Freedom of Information Act S.S. files
    c) Alien Property Custodian Archives. The information derived from these
    sources paints an even nastier picture of the situation. It seems that
    UBC in New York City was owned by the Thyssens.

    Thus, the Bush Family's primary banking facility was owned by, and their
    boss was, one of the most notorious behind-the-scenes Nazis of all-time!
    The big question at this point is, was Prescott Bush aware of his Nazi
    links and business dealings?

    Considering all the information brought out in this article, I'd have to
    say that as DIRECTOR of UBC, it was his ultimate responsibility to
    oversee every investment, including who they were made to and where they
    went. Another interesting note is that the Rockefeller Family also
    invested heavily in the Nazi War Machine.

    As it turns out, UBC was anessential element for the laundering of dirty
    money that was derivedfrom the Rockefeller's investments in Germany
    during the war. This scenario becomes even more interesting when we find
    that theRockefeller's bank - Chase Manhattan - wound up with 31%
    ownership ofthe Thyssen Group after WWII! This point is very important
    for TBC (the Thyssen Group) is the largest industry in Germany today,
    worth $50 billion. They're so huge that they even bought out the Krupp
    Family, who were infamous weapons suppliers for the Nazis.

    In essence, they are one of the richest companies in the world, and
    where did their start-up money come from? The Nazis! What we have then
    are links to the three major secret trade organizations in the world.

    Prince Bernhard, who founded the Bilderbergs, enabled the Thyssen Family
    to launder their money through Holland, while the Rockefellers bought
    nearly 1/3 controlling interest of Thyssen (David Rockefeller founded
    the Trilateral Commission).

    And finally, Brown Brothers Harriman and UBC, through which Nazi money
    was funneled into America, was largely formed by Yale's Skull & Bones
    members, all of whom were instrumental in forming the Council on Foreign
    Relations (CFR). Are you beginning to see how all of these organizations
    are interconnected like the giant tentacles of an evil octopus?

    We've discussed here how the Bush Family fortune was mounted on the back
    of Naziblood-money.

    The Bush Family has also enjoyed business relations with the bin Laden
    family for the past thirty years, and belonged to the Carlyle Group.

    Knowing this, what type of loyalties and decisions do you think George
    W. Bush will make - those that benefit everyday American citizens, or?
     
    `F.H, Sep 2, 2003
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  7. Gordo

    `F.H Guest

    There's theory, theory, and more theory. Then there's human nature,
    greed, lust for power, history.
     
    `F.H, Sep 2, 2003
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  8. Gordo

    Lee Borgea Guest

    ....and the relevance to Jaguar cars is ?

    Isn't there a 'gasrant' forum somewhere for this nonsense ?

     
    Lee Borgea, Sep 2, 2003
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  9. Gordo

    Miles Guest

    Sounds like the 'ol liberal concept that anyone who lives the american
    dream and becomes wealthy is greedy, power hungry, corrupt etc. Lets
    just punish them and tax the heck out of them. Thats human nature...the
    liberal way.
     
    Miles, Sep 2, 2003
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  10. Gordo

    Miles Guest

    Use your killfile. Attempts for anyone other than a NG's official
    moderator (if there is one for said NG) is futile.
     
    Miles, Sep 2, 2003
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  11. A tax break for everyone translates to a tax cut for the wealthy
    to the liberal mind. It's especially funny when a rich liberal says
    it but takes it anyway.
     
    Fletis Humplebacker, Mar 16, 2005
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  12. I hear Fidel is welcoming any immigrant that has experience
    manipulating a tobacco rolling machine if the press here is to
    conservative for ya.
     
    Fletis Humplebacker, Mar 16, 2005
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  13. Gordo

    The Steven Guest

    I hear Fidel is welcoming any immigrant that has experience
    I remember way back when, the popular phrase was "If you don't like it here,
    move to Russia"

    Why is it with you a mater of "either us or them" how about just fixing the
    problem?

    George II wants the people on the other side of the aisle to come over and
    "meet in the middle"?
    So what is he doing to meet the others in the middle? Not much that I can
    see.
     
    The Steven, Mar 16, 2005
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  14. Gordo

    RSCamaro Guest

    I hear the Fidel made honorable mention on Forbes list as one of the
    richest men in the world. Something along the lines of $110 million
    in his bank account. Just thought for food or vice versa.

    http://www.forbes.com/2003/02/24/cz_royalslide_8.html?thisSpeed=6000

    "Cuba's 76-year-old revolutionary doesn't advertise his opulent life.
    In public, at least, he dons fatigues and black combat boots. But he
    can afford better. We estimate that Castro has at least $110 million
    (roughly 10% of Cuba's GDP) at his disposal."

    http://www.forbes.com/2003/02/24/cz_royalslide_8.html?thisSpeed=6000

    ...Ron
     
    RSCamaro, Mar 16, 2005
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  15. Gordo

    miles Guest

    Oh please. Has the left moved to the middle? Kerry a moderate? Ya,
    right. Bush is anything but a conservative.
     
    miles, Mar 16, 2005
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  16. Gordo

    Jon A. Guest

    That's because he's from Texas, where their idea of a compromise is
    you admitting you're wrong and they granting forgiveness.
     
    Jon A., Mar 16, 2005
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  17. Gordo

    The Steven Guest

    That's because he's from Texas, where their idea of a compromise is
    Exactly my point.
     
    The Steven, Mar 16, 2005
    #57
  18. Gordo

    Jacob Suter Guest

    That yankee is most definetly not from Texas. Its worth maintaining a
    pasture of west waco scrub to avoid paying state level income tax...

    His dad did the same thing... Maintained a Hotel room in Houston til he
    was clowned about it in the press, when he decided to buy (build?) a
    house in Houston, which is supposedly uninhabited...

    The only good Bush is Barbara... Damn shame she had to marry a bozo :)

    JS
     
    Jacob Suter, Mar 16, 2005
    #58
  19. Yes, Kerry is a moderate. And this thread is on topic and about cars.
     
    Hagrinas Mivali, Mar 16, 2005
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  20. Gordo

    NobodyMan Guest

    Bush is not from Texas. He is from Conneticut. He was Govenor of
    Texas, but he is not "from" Texas.
     
    NobodyMan, Mar 17, 2005
    #60
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