Wow! How about that new Genesis!

Discussion in 'Hyundai Genesis' started by bought2bought, Feb 4, 2008.

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    Matt Whiting Guest

    I've been to Europe many times also and lived there for more than 4
    months a couple of decades ago. Everything in Europe is smaller,
    refrigerators were not much larger than my college dorm fridge and most
    other appliances were similarly smaller. You don't need a large truck
    to carry small stuff, I agree. However, many in the UK had to visit the
    grocery store multiple times a week to get what they needed as they
    could fit only so much in their refrigerators and small kitchens. This
    isn't a problem when the store is 1 km distant, but I live 5 miles from
    the nearest convenience store and 15 from the nearest real supermarket.
    So, getting a jug of milk requires a 10 mile drive. I could buy an 8
    cu ft fridge and drive to the store every other day, but I think it more
    efficient to load my fridge once a week and save the driving. However,
    this does require larger trucks to deliver such appliances, but I
    believe the trade-off is in my favor.

    Energy consumption is a complex system and often the "obviously" smart
    choice is actually the wrong choice when the total system is evaluated.

    Matt
     
    Matt Whiting, Feb 6, 2008
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    Matt Whiting Guest

    And just what size vehicles do you propose to outlaw? Lemme guess,
    anything larger than what YOU drive, right?

    Matt
     
    Matt Whiting, Feb 6, 2008
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    631grant Guest

    Let me understand this, Matt. You couldn't get a week's worth of groceries
    in a small car?????? Bad comparison. Sorry. They don't have small cars in
    Europe because they have small refrigerators and don't need to haul a lot of
    groceries. You certainly are smart enough to not buy a large truck just to
    pick up a large appliance. If you are any good at negotiating, you can get
    it delivered as part of the purchase.


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    631grant, Feb 6, 2008
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    Matt Whiting Guest

    You really need to work on your reading comprehension. SOMEBODY needs a
    large truck to deliver a 22 cu ft refrigerator, a freezer, a washer and
    dryer, etc. Just because somebody else has to buy the truck doesn't
    change the fallacy of your argument against large trucks.

    I also plow my own driveway (it is 1700' feet long), haul my own
    firewood, etc. This doesn't work well with a small car...

    Matt
     
    Matt Whiting, Feb 6, 2008
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    631grant Guest

    And why did I lose credibility, Rob. Just because you didn't watch it
    either? Sometimes the facts are hard to accept, I know.
     
    631grant, Feb 6, 2008
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    631grant Guest

    Matt, Matt, Matt.
    Calling someone a liar is not a very nice thing to do but I would expect
    nothing less of you since you seem to flourish at giving snide one liners in
    your posts.
    For one, you said "You simply think that your vehicle is the gold standard
    for what fuel
    mileage should be and anyone who drives a vehicle that gets less mileage
    than your current vehicle is wasteful."
    While not directly stating bigger is better, your snippet suggests
    such with the 'less mileage'.

    AND "That doesn't matter. The point is that you are complaining about
    people
    who drive trucks that get worse mileage than your Sonata. " is another
    example that shows you support the proliferation of trucks on the road.

    AND FINALLY "And just what size vehicles do you propose to outlaw? Lemme
    guess,
    anything larger than what YOU drive, right?"

    All of these remarks point to the fact that you do, indeed, support the
    larger is better theory. So stick that up your gas tank, Matt.

    Oh, and I drive a Sonata, a VW Jetta, and a BIG Kia Sedona (less than 800
    miles a year). The Sonata will be gone as soon as the first car company
    introduces a small, reasonably priced fuel efficient diesel car that I like.
    I know you'll snap up the gas guzzling Sedona as soon as I trade it in.
    It's extra heavy and give a lot of protection on the road AND can haul a
    month's worth of groceries. I'll even throw in the enclosed trailer that I
    pull with it so you can bring your big appliances home with you.
     
    631grant, Feb 6, 2008
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    631grant Guest

    Well, let me guess. You didn't watch it either................. What a sad
    lot.
     
    631grant, Feb 6, 2008
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    Matt Whiting Guest

    It was an accurate statement, neither nice nor not nice.


    It suggests nothing about what I think. It suggests what I thought the
    other poster was thinking. Big difference.

    No, it suggests that I don't like hypocrites.

    They neither state nor even suggest any such thing. Time to learn how
    to read and, more importantly, comprehend what you read.

    Nah, I don't want a Kia.

    Matt
     
    Matt Whiting, Feb 7, 2008
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    631grant Guest

    Yes, but that truck is a diesel used exclusively to deliver product to
    multiple locations making it efficient to operate. It isn't used to haul
    the wife to the mall or the kids to a soccer game or all the other wasteful
    trips that the truck takes during its lifetime.
    Plowing a driveway is a legitimate use but with a year's worth of fuel
    difference between the 17 mpg truck and a 32 mpg car, you could hire someone
    to plow it. Also, I use a 4 wheeler trailer to haul my firewood so I only
    have to pull the trailer a few times a year and not haul the weight of the
    truck the rest of the year. That's something else you see in Europe. They
    have a lot of trailer hitches for just such occasions.

    My reading comprehension is quite good but it just makes me sick to read
    your drivel.......
     
    631grant, Feb 7, 2008
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    631grant Guest

    Well, I can still comprehend, my friend and say what you will, I can
    comprehend that you are a closed minded liar, not me.

    One thing I really like about being retired is that I can sit here and bait
    you guys into arguing about anything. :eek:) It just points out that everyone
    has points of view that they are willing to defend at any cost. Never mind
    what is right or wrong. If you believe in it, your mind is closed to any
    other options or opinions. This is a several thousand year old trait that
    is repeated over and over in history. Only history will record which of us
    is correct, but, unfortunately, I think that there won't be anyone around to
    write it.
     
    631grant, Feb 7, 2008
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    Plague Boy Guest

    The above post is on-topic and coherent. It does not contain any
    political rants or personal invective.

    I demand the moderators blacklist this poster immediately as
    unsuitable for this group.
     
    Plague Boy, Feb 7, 2008
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    Rob Guest


    Should the Gov. regulate food? Some people eat A LOT!! How about
    electricity? medicine? Perhaps the size of your home or the amount of land
    you own. Who needs a 1700' driveway, that is a tremendous waste of a natural
    resource. (land) We all know Bill Gates has no right to consume all of that
    money. I guess you know better than us common idiot folk. Good thing we have
    your kind looking out for us. Produce a small vehicle that people like and
    it'll sell.
     
    Rob, Feb 7, 2008
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    jp103 Guest

    PB-

    I'm sorry I'm just an eco-hugging,gas guzzling,diesel spewing,whale
    loving, snail darter killing, liberal,conservative,democratic,republican
    independent that thought this newsgroup was about people interested in
    Hyundais. I'll go back to my 200 room house that has wind power and
    solar heating and watch my big screen tv and quietly monitor the various
    points of view being expressed while sitting in my boxers cuz the
    thermostats cranked up to 80 degrees (I set it back since it's dark out
    now). I will try to be totally off topic from now on.
     
    jp103, Feb 7, 2008
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    Steve R. Guest

    Rev.,

    I agree....on my 3rd Hyundai!

    When I have more time, I'll read the MANY threads to the original post.


    Steve
     
    Steve R., Feb 7, 2008
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    Steve R. Guest

    With all of his lights on!!!!


    Steve



     
    Steve R., Feb 7, 2008
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    Matt Whiting Guest

    Ha, ha, ha... You have yet to figure out who is the fish and who is the
    fisherman.
     
    Matt Whiting, Feb 7, 2008
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    Matt Whiting Guest

    And it is better that someone else plow my driveway with their 17 MPG
    truck rather than me plow it with my 18 MPG truck? Sorry, but that
    logic isn't logical.

    If you think what I wrote is drivel, then that confirms your lack of
    reading comprehension.

    You are just too easy and just can't help yourself from responding to
    everything I write.
     
    Matt Whiting, Feb 7, 2008
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    Steve R. Guest

    Let me tell you about that Prius. I had the "luxury" of renting one this
    week in snowy Wyoming. It's definitely NOT a cold weather car. It's that you
    can power on the system and start driving right away...however, the little 4
    banger takes a long time to warm up. Aside from that, not sure that
    America's willing to give up the rush of mashing a throttle in being pushed
    back into your seat. The Prius doesn't do that. I would even think of
    attempting to pass on a 2 lane highway. The acceleration stinks! Hybrids are
    cool, I'm all about the environment, but couldn't Toyota put a little more
    zip into this thing? I would utilize it in the lower half of the US and in a
    metropolitan city. Maybe the Camry Hyrbid has some power.

    The backup camera in reverse was cool though!!!


    --
    Steve

    2008 Hyundai Sonata SE- His
    2005 Jeep Grand Cherokee- Hers
    1997 Holiday Rambler Endeavor LE- Ours


    Home for sale in NW AZ near Las Vegas:

    http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/rfs/530237885.html
     
    Steve R., Feb 7, 2008
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    Plague Boy Guest

    Naw, don't care none bout no Hyundais. Don't even know where 't
    hell Hyundai is. Prob'ly bunch 'o turbo heads anyways. Fox News'l
    have maps iffen we haveta invade to liberate them and there o-i-l.

    Google fer my recipe for Spotted Owl stuffed with Snail Darters
    Smoked over Old Growth Redwood.
     
    Plague Boy, Feb 7, 2008
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    Steve R. Guest

    There ya go Hank!!!

    I was wondering the same thing!!!

    Although, this thread has had me in stitches while on a layover in Denver
    back to Vegas...
    --
    Steve

    2008 Hyundai Sonata SE- His
    2005 Jeep Grand Cherokee- Hers
    1997 Holiday Rambler Endeavor LE- Ours


    Home for sale in NW AZ near Las Vegas:

    http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/rfs/530237885.html
     
    Steve R., Feb 7, 2008
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