Wow! How about that new Genesis!

631grant said:
I've been to Europe many times and NEVER have I seen a pickup truck of the size of the US version. Those workers get the job done and haul their tools without a big truck. In fact, it is extremely rare to even see a small pickup truck. They mainly use little panel trucks that work very well, evidently. Point is that you don't NEED that F350 to haul a tool box................
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I've been to Europe many times also and lived there for more than 4 months a couple of decades ago. Everything in Europe is smaller, refrigerators were not much larger than my college dorm fridge and most other appliances were similarly smaller. You don't need a large truck to carry small stuff, I agree. However, many in the UK had to visit the grocery store multiple times a week to get what they needed as they could fit only so much in their refrigerators and small kitchens. This isn't a problem when the store is 1 km distant, but I live 5 miles from the nearest convenience store and 15 from the nearest real supermarket. So, getting a jug of milk requires a 10 mile drive. I could buy an 8 cu ft fridge and drive to the store every other day, but I think it more efficient to load my fridge once a week and save the driving. However, this does require larger trucks to deliver such appliances, but I believe the trade-off is in my favor.

Energy consumption is a complex system and often the "obviously" smart choice is actually the wrong choice when the total system is evaluated.

Matt
 
631grant said:
Well, Mike, you have also bolstered my position that we will never progress until we can buy and drive small cars and feel safe. That will not happen until we outlaw, out-legislate, or out-tax the huge vehicles from our roads. In the meantime, we are mired in the indecision and nearsightedness so evident on this board and in our society.
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And just what size vehicles do you propose to outlaw? Lemme guess, anything larger than what YOU drive, right?

Matt
 
Let me understand this, Matt. You couldn't get a week's worth of groceries in a small car?????? Bad comparison. Sorry. They don't have small cars in Europe because they have small refrigerators and don't need to haul a lot of groceries. You certainly are smart enough to not buy a large truck just to pick up a large appliance. If you are any good at negotiating, you can get it delivered as part of the purchase.

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631grant said:
Let me understand this, Matt. You couldn't get a week's worth of groceries in a small car?????? Bad comparison. Sorry. They don't have small cars in Europe because they have small refrigerators and don't need to haul a lot of groceries. You certainly are smart enough to not buy a large truck just to pick up a large appliance. If you are any good at negotiating, you can get it delivered as part of the purchase.
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You really need to work on your reading comprehension. SOMEBODY needs a large truck to deliver a 22 cu ft refrigerator, a freezer, a washer and dryer, etc. Just because somebody else has to buy the truck doesn't change the fallacy of your argument against large trucks.

I also plow my own driveway (it is 1700' feet long), haul my own firewood, etc. This doesn't work well with a small car...

Matt
 
And why did I lose credibility, Rob. Just because you didn't watch it either? Sometimes the facts are hard to accept, I know.
 
Matt, Matt, Matt.
Calling someone a liar is not a very nice thing to do but I would expect nothing less of you since you seem to flourish at giving snide one liners in your posts. For one, you said "You simply think that your vehicle is the gold standard for what fuel mileage should be and anyone who drives a vehicle that gets less mileage than your current vehicle is wasteful." While not directly stating bigger is better, your snippet suggests such with the 'less mileage'.

AND "That doesn't matter. The point is that you are complaining about people who drive trucks that get worse mileage than your Sonata. " is another example that shows you support the proliferation of trucks on the road.

AND FINALLY "And just what size vehicles do you propose to outlaw? Lemme guess, anything larger than what YOU drive, right?"

All of these remarks point to the fact that you do, indeed, support the larger is better theory. So stick that up your gas tank, Matt.

Oh, and I drive a Sonata, a VW Jetta, and a BIG Kia Sedona (less than 800 miles a year). The Sonata will be gone as soon as the first car company introduces a small, reasonably priced fuel efficient diesel car that I like. I know you'll snap up the gas guzzling Sedona as soon as I trade it in. It's extra heavy and give a lot of protection on the road AND can haul a month's worth of groceries. I'll even throw in the enclosed trailer that I pull with it so you can bring your big appliances home with you.
 
Well, let me guess. You didn't watch it either................. What a sad lot.
 
631grant said:
Matt, Matt, Matt.
Calling someone a liar is not a very nice thing to do but I would expect nothing less of you since you seem to flourish at giving snide one liners in your posts.
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It was an accurate statement, neither nice nor not nice.

For one, you said "You simply think that your vehicle is the gold standard for what fuel mileage should be and anyone who drives a vehicle that gets less mileage than your current vehicle is wasteful." While not directly stating bigger is better, your snippet suggests such with the 'less mileage'.
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It suggests nothing about what I think. It suggests what I thought the other poster was thinking. Big difference.

AND "That doesn't matter. The point is that you are complaining about people who drive trucks that get worse mileage than your Sonata. " is another example that shows you support the proliferation of trucks on the road.
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No, it suggests that I don't like hypocrites.

AND FINALLY "And just what size vehicles do you propose to outlaw? Lemme guess, anything larger than what YOU drive, right?"

All of these remarks point to the fact that you do, indeed, support the larger is better theory. So stick that up your gas tank, Matt.
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They neither state nor even suggest any such thing. Time to learn how to read and, more importantly, comprehend what you read.

Oh, and I drive a Sonata, a VW Jetta, and a BIG Kia Sedona (less than 800 miles a year). The Sonata will be gone as soon as the first car company introduces a small, reasonably priced fuel efficient diesel car that I like. I know you'll snap up the gas guzzling Sedona as soon as I trade it in. It's extra heavy and give a lot of protection on the road AND can haul a month's worth of groceries. I'll even throw in the enclosed trailer that I pull with it so you can bring your big appliances home with you.
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Nah, I don't want a Kia.

Matt
 
Yes, but that truck is a diesel used exclusively to deliver product to multiple locations making it efficient to operate. It isn't used to haul the wife to the mall or the kids to a soccer game or all the other wasteful trips that the truck takes during its lifetime. Plowing a driveway is a legitimate use but with a year's worth of fuel difference between the 17 mpg truck and a 32 mpg car, you could hire someone to plow it. Also, I use a 4 wheeler trailer to haul my firewood so I only have to pull the trailer a few times a year and not haul the weight of the truck the rest of the year. That's something else you see in Europe. They have a lot of trailer hitches for just such occasions.

My reading comprehension is quite good but it just makes me sick to read your drivel.......
 
Well, I can still comprehend, my friend and say what you will, I can comprehend that you are a closed minded liar, not me.

One thing I really like about being retired is that I can sit here and bait you guys into arguing about anything. :o) It just points out that everyone has points of view that they are willing to defend at any cost. Never mind what is right or wrong. If you believe in it, your mind is closed to any other options or opinions. This is a several thousand year old trait that is repeated over and over in history. Only history will record which of us is correct, but, unfortunately, I think that there won't be anyone around to write it.
 
jp103 said:
I saw it at the Detroit Auto Show and was impressed by the interior but prefer the Azera's exterior. If it came down to the two I think I would chose the Azera as it would be more than adequate for my needs and probably 5k cheaper, although who knows what the price of the 6 cyl. will be (perhaps equal to the Azera but that wouldn't make much marketing sense to me. On the other hand I would also test drive the Genesis and then who knows????
John
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The above post is on-topic and coherent. It does not contain any political rants or personal invective.

I demand the moderators blacklist this poster immediately as unsuitable for this group.
 
631grant said:
Yes, but that truck is a diesel used exclusively to deliver product to multiple locations making it efficient to operate. It isn't used to haul the wife to the mall or the kids to a soccer game or all the other wasteful trips that the truck takes during its lifetime. Plowing a driveway is a legitimate use but with a year's worth of fuel difference between the 17 mpg truck and a 32 mpg car, you could hire someone to plow it. Also, I use a 4 wheeler trailer to haul my firewood so I only have to pull the trailer a few times a year and not haul the weight of the truck the rest of the year. That's something else you see in Europe. They have a lot of trailer hitches for just such occasions.

My reading comprehension is quite good but it just makes me sick to read your drivel.......
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Should the Gov. regulate food? Some people eat A LOT!! How about electricity? medicine? Perhaps the size of your home or the amount of land you own. Who needs a 1700' driveway, that is a tremendous waste of a natural resource. (land) We all know Bill Gates has no right to consume all of that money. I guess you know better than us common idiot folk. Good thing we have your kind looking out for us. Produce a small vehicle that people like and it'll sell.
 
PB-

I'm sorry I'm just an eco-hugging,gas guzzling,diesel spewing,whale loving, snail darter killing, liberal,conservative,democratic,republican independent that thought this newsgroup was about people interested in Hyundais. I'll go back to my 200 room house that has wind power and solar heating and watch my big screen tv and quietly monitor the various points of view being expressed while sitting in my boxers cuz the thermostats cranked up to 80 degrees (I set it back since it's dark out now). I will try to be totally off topic from now on.
 
Rev.,

I agree....on my 3rd Hyundai!

When I have more time, I'll read the MANY threads to the original post.

Steve
 
With all of his lights on!!!!

Steve

Matt Whiting said:
That doesn't matter. The point is that you are complaining about people who drive trucks that get worse mileage than your Sonata. I'm simply point out how hypocritical you are since you are driving a vehicle that gets much poorer mileage than alternatives such as the Prius.

Kind of like Al Gore in his energy guzzling mansion flying around in jets and complaining about global warming.

Matt
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631grant said:
Well, I can still comprehend, my friend and say what you will, I can comprehend that you are a closed minded liar, not me.

One thing I really like about being retired is that I can sit here and bait you guys into arguing about anything. :o) It just points out that everyone has points of view that they are willing to defend at any cost. Never mind what is right or wrong. If you believe in it, your mind is closed to any other options or opinions. This is a several thousand year old trait that is repeated over and over in history. Only history will record which of us is correct, but, unfortunately, I think that there won't be anyone around to write it.
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Ha, ha, ha... You have yet to figure out who is the fish and who is the fisherman.
 
631grant said:
Yes, but that truck is a diesel used exclusively to deliver product to multiple locations making it efficient to operate. It isn't used to haul the wife to the mall or the kids to a soccer game or all the other wasteful trips that the truck takes during its lifetime. Plowing a driveway is a legitimate use but with a year's worth of fuel difference between the 17 mpg truck and a 32 mpg car, you could hire someone to plow it. Also, I use a 4 wheeler trailer to haul my firewood so I only have to pull the trailer a few times a year and not haul the weight of the truck the rest of the year. That's something else you see in Europe. They have a lot of trailer hitches for just such occasions.
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And it is better that someone else plow my driveway with their 17 MPG truck rather than me plow it with my 18 MPG truck? Sorry, but that logic isn't logical.

My reading comprehension is quite good but it just makes me sick to read your drivel.......
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If you think what I wrote is drivel, then that confirms your lack of reading comprehension.

You are just too easy and just can't help yourself from responding to everything I write.
 
Let me tell you about that Prius. I had the "luxury" of renting one this week in snowy Wyoming. It's definitely NOT a cold weather car. It's that you can power on the system and start driving right away...however, the little 4 banger takes a long time to warm up. Aside from that, not sure that America's willing to give up the rush of mashing a throttle in being pushed back into your seat. The Prius doesn't do that. I would even think of attempting to pass on a 2 lane highway. The acceleration stinks! Hybrids are cool, I'm all about the environment, but couldn't Toyota put a little more zip into this thing? I would utilize it in the lower half of the US and in a metropolitan city. Maybe the Camry Hyrbid has some power.

The backup camera in reverse was cool though!!!
 
jp103 said:
PB-

I'm sorry I'm just an eco-hugging,gas guzzling,diesel spewing,whale loving, snail darter killing, liberal,conservative,democratic,republican independent that thought this newsgroup was about people interested in Hyundais.
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Naw, don't care none bout no Hyundais. Don't even know where 't hell Hyundai is. Prob'ly bunch 'o turbo heads anyways. Fox News'l have maps iffen we haveta invade to liberate them and there o-i-l.

Google fer my recipe for Spotted Owl stuffed with Snail Darters Smoked over Old Growth Redwood.
 
There ya go Hank!!!

I was wondering the same thing!!!

Although, this thread has had me in stitches while on a layover in Denver back to Vegas...
 

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