Wow! How about that new Genesis!

Lost me too.

No, I did not and will not see Gore's film. Considering his lifestyle and
how he wants the rest of us to live, he is just a blowhard politician
hypocrite. He has zero respect and credibility with me. When he moves into
a 2 bedroom ranch home, give me a call and we'll talk.

 

Hey Steve whats up ? Hey just checked out yours craigslist advertizement
just got one question, what the hell are desert-watercraft toys ??? you
forget I live in the desert too and the only water we have comes ouuta the
bubblers for the plants................ not hardly anywheres big enough for
watercraft

Hank

 

Hi Edwin,

See, people here accused me of wanting them to 'lower' themselves to my
ideals and lifestyle and blasted me royally for it. Now you say that you
don't want anything to do with Gore until he lowers himself to our
lifestyle............. I said 'our lifestyle' because I suspect I am in the
same lifestyle as you and everyone else here. I don't love the man either
but I watched the movie and he sure makes some good points backed up with
scientific data that is very hard to dispute. You owe it to yourself to at
least watch it. It's almost like the Harry Potter fiasco when it was first
introduced. All the religious people were up in arms about its story line
and forbid their children to see the movies but they had never seen them to
pass judgment on them.

 

Would you like some links to data that disputes it? There are thousands of
scientists who dispute man made global warming. Did you know in previous
"global warmings" that co2 levels did not increase, yet Al tells you that
co2 output is the main problem. You owe it to yourself to become a little
educated.

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=7e23a550-9cc4-4697-b730-b2d094f1628a

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16960409/site/newsweek/

http://www.acton.org/blog/index.html?/archives/1525-Profit-of-Doom.html


Hell, I got hundreds. Gore is a political hack who wants YOU to believe his
crap so you'll buy "Carbon Credits" (LOL) from HIS company.



You owe it to yourself to at

 

I'm not asking anyone to "lower" themself. Material goods, be it a huge
house, big cars, or fancy computer does not have anything to do with the
character of an individual. I think I'm moraly superior to someone that
preaches one thing but actually acts in a different manner.

I don't love the man either

 

I hit the send button before I was finished.



I'm not asking anyone to "lower" themselves. Material goods, be it a huge
house, big cars, or fancy computer does not have anything to do with the
character of an individual. I think I'm morally superior to someone that
preaches one thing but actually acts in a different manner.

Gore wants us to reduce our carbon footprint, yet he maintains a house that
is far beyond what sensible people need to live in, uses a privet jet to get
around an justifies it because he makes donation for carbon credits. Sort
of like buying yourself into heaven.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/house.asp
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/28/AR2007022801823.html
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/20...y-headline-gores-electric-bills-spark-debate/

By spending my money to see what he as done enriches him and gives him
personal credibility. I'm not going to do that, be him right or wrong.

 

HAHAHAHA!!

Changed to the lingo to reflect desert and water toys!!!

--
Steve

2008 Sonata SE- His
2005 Grand Cherokee Laredo- Hers

http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/rfs/530237885.html

 

Rob,
Thank you so much for attaching all the links for me to become more
educated. Clearly you used Google to its best advantage. If YOU want to
become more educated about BOTH sides of the argument, then, by all means,
watch Gore's movie. Surely seeing BOTH sides of an argument is much better
than taking someone else's opinion of what was presented.
Oh, in the second link you sent, it describes 'one' scientist's
controversial opinion while also saying 'Earth is currently experiencing
rapid warming, which the vast majority of climate scientists says is due to
humans pumping huge amounts of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere." Make
sure you see the 'vast majority' versus the 'one'. How could you offer that
up as an argument??????

 

TCW,


If you would get out more, you would notice that people get what they
deserve. If they work hard and can afford nice cars, they deserve
them. If they sit around and fiddle, they deserve less. That's the way
it has always been, and the way it always will be. You don't think the
hard working people should lower their living standards so lazy asses
can have more, do you?

Wastefulness will indeed hasten the depletion of natural resources.
However, people aren't equipped to deal with that in times of plenty.
When fuel goes up to $15 a gallon, even some of the wealthier people
will be forced to cut back. The $15 fuel is closer than we think, so
all the waste is not doing as much harm as you think.
-

Bob

 

I can post hundreds more if you like but I think it would be a waste of
our time. I'm done, I know better than to try to argue with a liberal but I
just can't...help...myself. Liberal arguments are based on emotion, not
facts. Saving the world, trees, animals, air, water, etc. can really get
some people worked up, even if it's not based on fact. One last link,
hopefully you'll enjoy this one. It's Penn and Teller video.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...071&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=5

 

One last one for me Rob. News flash. I'm not in any way shape or form a
liberal! I am a staunch conservative. I want to conserve out natural
resources for my grand kids. I want every alien out of this country. I
want every welfare recipient to work for his/her money. I don't want anyone
to be given a free ride on my 'buck'. Thanks for the link.

Tom

 

I reply to you, Matt, because I've read many of your comments over time and
you seem to be knowledgeable; therefore, I still have some hope that you can
'see the light'. ) It's always healthy to debate both sides of a
dilemna.

 

If you would get out more, you would notice that people get what they

Bob, it's got nothing to do with not getting out enough. I'm a bit
insulted by your presumptuous attitude that I'm poor or something or
that I insist people lower themselves or their standards. It's beyond
a gross misinterpretation of the original argument of this post /
thread. I don't give a rat's posterior what anyone drives.

As I've said from the beginning, a law that's been abused by car
makers needs to be updated to address today's problems. Bush signed
legislation, albeit too little too late, to address this by 2020. I'm
just curious as to what loopholes exist in it, if any. There are
people who work hard (you know, three jobs, kids, mortgage, bills,
etc.) and STILL don't get ahead and it's got nothing to do with
idleness or lethargy or not working harder. Everyone's situation is
different. People who work smarter, not harder, get ahead in life.
That, Bob, is how it IS.

$15 a gallon to the uber wealthy isn't going to be a big deal but one
could only HOPE there will be an alternative to $15 gas by the time
that happens. You don't think Paris Hilton, in her 10 city, 17 highway
Bently, care is gas if $50 a gallon, do you?

I don't know that I agree with you that we're almost there. China and
India's economies haven't quite peaked yet. Gas prices THAT high, I
would imagine, would crash an economy. When a resources appears to be
plentiful, it's not an apparent problem. You HAVE to factor in double
or triple digit growth in other countries. They're going to want a
bigger and bigger part of that world oil every year as their economy
booms. People will only notice it when it's either almost gone or can
only be had by the highest bidder. The bigger picture is that it's not
just about fixing a broken law or making 35MPG the standard for a
fleet by 2020, it's also the repercussions of sending industry to
countries that are now booming exponentially as a byproduct. Exactly
how much harder CAN a person work if another country is reaping all
the benefits?

- Thee Chicago Wolf

 

I was right with you until the boxers...
-

Bob

 

If only there were a light to see?

Yes, I enjoy a good debate and believe that debates can be both
educational and entertaining.

Matt

 

This debate definitely entertained the heck outta me

For the record, I believe the earth is warming. I don't believe anyone has
really figured out why yet. I also believe it is a cyclical event that
there ain't a thing we can do about. I am also a registered Republican but
I do vote for an occasional "D". I can't find anyone I can really align
with this time around though :-(

Eric

 

Yes, I'm in much the same boat. I'm not a fan of any of the front
runners or any of the "independents in waiting" such as Bloomberg. I
may write in someone's name just so I can say I voted and did my civic
duty, but did so without compromising my beliefs.

Matt

 

At this point in time I'd have to agree with a write in being the best
choice for me as well. Bloomberg scares the heck out of me. His idea
of gun control is to allow only the criminals and police to have guns.
His fiscal policies seem pretty sound though, and I know many around
here in NJ would vote for him if he throws his hat in to the ring.

Doesn't Reagan have any relatives that want to run???

Eric


'Here's my strategy on the Cold War: We win, they lose.' - Ronald Reagan



'The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the
government and I'm here to help.' - Ronald Reagan


'The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's
just that they know so much that isn't so.' - Ronald Reagan


'Of the four wars in my lifetime, none came about because the U.S. was
too strong.'
- Ronald Reagan


'I have wondered at times about what the Ten Commandments would have
looked like if Moses had run them through the U.S. Congress.' - Ronald
Reagan


'The taxpayer: That's someone who works for the federal government but
doesn't have to take the civil service examination.'
- Ronald Reagan


'Government is like a baby: An alimentary canal with a big appetite at
one end and no sense of responsibility at the other.'
- Ronald Reagan
'The nearest thing to eternal life we will ever see on this earth is a
government program.' - Ronald Reagan


'It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have
learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first.' - Ronald
Reagan


'Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short
phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it
stops moving, subsidize it.' - Ronald Reagan


'Politics is not a bad profession. If you succeed, there are many
rewards; if you disgrace yourself, you can always write a book.' -
Ronald Reagan


'No arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is as formidable
as the will and moral courage of free men and women.' - Ronald Reagan



'If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a
nation gone under.'
- Ronald Reagan

 

I realize this is not a political forum but it ha
drifted that way and I have to comment. Ronald Reagan was a grea
politician even if he was senile and his little sound bites wer
cute. But he was a terrible president for the long term good of th
country. He added four trillion dollars to the national debt fo
our chuildren to pay back. And it was not necessary because th
Russians would have gone broke soon without his escalation of th
cold war.

It just goes to show how shortsighted the American people are and the
are not very good at cause and effect

I've been watching Presidents since 1952 and was in the militar
during the Vietnam war and Bush is the worst president yet wit
Johnson second worst

Matt: Be sure to check for spelling and gramatical errors since i
will prove that I am not really an engineer. Do not look at content

 

I would say that honor goes to Carter.


He added four trillion dollars to the national debt for